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Heir to dukes throne

Who is the heir to dukes throne?

  • Yengi

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • Toure

    Votes: 16 43.2%

  • Stama

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Taggart

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Maclaren

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Iredale

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Waddingham

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • Jovanovic

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Total voters
    37
LFC said:
I've always had in my mind WHY didn't we keep some of our ol Aussie "physical" DNA mixed in the technical improvement approach.
Like I have no problem improving our players technical abilities one bit thats a given but all successful winning Clubs and NT's have their mongrel players.
Be it CB's CM's - even the modern day winning Argies in Qatar have the mongrels that are not technical prince's but they know their position very very well.
Grella is the classic example of old, we have no one like him, Jedi, they are coached out of selection.
You can name plenty right now in top flight the mongrels doing the dirty work, take the yellow for team under the pump, that all important sliding tackle that technical play makers don't do.
LFC's MacAllister beast of a player, ain't pretty all game at times ugly but damn effective !

At least talking forwards here Yengi does have some mongrel in him.
Hope he keeps improving late bloomer 25yrs, maybe best is yet to come being optimistic.
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I’d advocate the opposite of riquelmes_laces’ suggestion, ie. beefing the kids up once their bodies have adequately matured. This is where we could make use of AFL strength&conditioning methodology(bc that of the rugby codes is too extreme & even less relevant to common ⚽️ practices) to compensate for the fact that 🇦🇺⚽️ers typically are nowhere near among the nation’s sporting-physiological crop - but all the while ensuring that their tactical&technical proficiencies aren’t left by the wayside either💡
 
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And we have NO one anywhere as capable as HK as well after all this time of Pro coaching.
I don’t know how we haven’t un earthed players as show stoppers like Dukes and HK after all this time of Pro coaching - baffling no real outlier standouts have came to be.
I’m meaning even just 1 who is that good and noticed playing in a mid table epl club and regular start up player making a impact regularly.
Being a so called sporting nation you got to wonder.
 
Just remember how good Kewell was. You'd get the goal snippets on the evening news. That run against Grasshoppers or the leg peg half volley at Highbury.

Anyone who gets the Kewell hier tag has a lot of pressure. I remember Oar had it when he came into the scene. He carved out a reasonable career.
 
LFC said:
And we have NO one anywhere as capable as HK as well after all this time of Pro coaching.
I don’t know how we haven’t un earthed players as show stoppers like Dukes and HK after all this time of Pro coaching - baffling no real outlier standouts have came to be.
I’m meaning even just 1 who is that good and noticed playing in a mid table epl club and regular start up player making a impact regularly.
Being a so called sporting nation you got to wonder.
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would love to put kewell in charge of coaching to figure out how to produce the next kewell.. but apparently he is bad at coaching :D
 
JS96 said:
Just remember how good Kewell was. You'd get the goal snippets on the evening news. That run against Grasshoppers or the leg peg half volley at Highbury.

Anyone who gets the Kewell hier tag has a lot of pressure. I remember Oar had it when he came into the scene. He carved out a reasonable career.
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Pim at the time said to stop saying such and such is the next harry kewell because we may never produce a player like that again. Typical dutch bluntness :D

I think we could if we majorly restructured football

Interestingly, when watching old games of his he is actually a low touch player that produces moments of magic, a bit like a segacic at a much higher level

For the roos he was much more heavily involved but didnt score too many screamers
 
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For me Viduka and Kewell were our greatest ever players but with great respect we haven’t developed players like them as a football country before and after Kewell/Viduka came through, these guys were one of a kind.

Also brilliant as they are they came from a different era where the football landscape was different especially for foreign players, and given how globalised the game has become with the emerge of data analytics as well im not sure if they would stand out in today’s game but they were brilliant players in a different era.

We just need to continue to produce players, continue to improve in our youth development and continue to give opportunities to our young players at the top end.

Keep the faith.
 
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Mind you Barca it’s baffling as I’ve mentioned no matter the different times and changes of the landscape you’d think just 1 block buster type player hitting the big time.
Sure it’s far more competitive but you know what I mean.
We have them in other codes that today are just as competitive in similar ways.
It’s like we keep producing sound regular type players - even Rogic had that X factor in games and before him Mooysi.
 
grazorblade said:
Pim at the time said to stop saying such and such is the next harry kewell because we may never produce a player like that again. Typical dutch bluntness :D

I think we could if we majorly restructured football

Interestingly, when watching old games of his he is actually a low touch player that produces moments of magic, a bit like a segacic at a much higher level

For the roos he was much more heavily involved but didnt score too many screamers
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That’s the ball game when playing NT your game is not the same as Club due to the many factors importantly type of play And against players who are notable in their positions.
Harder to work on weaknesses for there is less.
You only have to read the negatives people in the past in 442 would say Dukes didn’t score enough and wasn’t that good !
We were outclassed even back then but punched above our weight as they say.
Very unfair towards Dukes imo.
Besides anyone who can score 4 against LFC is worthy of greatness haha
 
LFC said:
Mind you Barca it’s baffling as I’ve mentioned no matter the different times and changes of the landscape you’d think just 1 block buster type player hitting the big time.
Sure it’s far more competitive but you know what I mean.
We have them in other codes that today are just as competitive in similar ways.
It’s like we keep producing sound regular type players - even Rogic had that X factor in games and before him Mooysi.
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It's been mentioned here before, if you take out Kewell and Viduka, even the GG was probably only slightly ahead of previous or subsequent generations. They are the true all time outliers.
 
LFC said:
I've always had in my mind WHY didn't we keep some of our ol Aussie "physical" DNA mixed in the technical improvement approach.
Like I have no problem improving our players technical abilities one bit thats a given but all successful winning Clubs and NT's have their mongrel players.
Be it CB's CM's - even the modern day winning Argies in Qatar have the mongrels that are not technical prince's but they know their position very very well.
Grella is the classic example of old, we have no one like him, Jedi, they are coached out of selection.
You can name plenty right now in top flight the mongrels doing the dirty work, take the yellow for team under the pump, that all important sliding tackle that technical play makers don't do.
LFC's MacAllister beast of a player, ain't pretty all game at times ugly but damn effective !

At least talking forwards here Yengi does have some mongrel in him.
Hope he keeps improving late bloomer 25yrs, maybe best is yet to come being optimistic.
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Gennaro Gattuso was a beast.
 
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LFC said:
Mind you Barca it’s baffling as I’ve mentioned no matter the different times and changes of the landscape you’d think just 1 block buster type player hitting the big time.
Sure it’s far more competitive but you know what I mean.
We have them in other codes that today are just as competitive in similar ways.
It’s like we keep producing sound regular type players - even Rogic had that X factor in games and before him Mooysi.
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Mooy was a fantastic player that had a great career, a shame he had to retire earlier than usual given the age but someone you could say who could play at a higher level and made the most of he’s potential.

Rogic he had a lot of potential, although he had a solid career it could have been a lot more if not for injuries which ruined him but also a big what if he moved to Arsenal which apparently Wenger was interested in bringing in but instead he bought a Spanish reject who turned out to be a flop!
 
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Cunningstunt said:
It's been mentioned here before, if you take out Kewell and Viduka, even the GG was probably only slightly ahead of previous or subsequent generations. They are the true all time outliers.
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Oh be careful of saying that, some might not like you saying that. I've been saying it for years. You are 100% correct!!!!!
Kewell & Viduka, so far the best technically players we have ever produced & by a long way.
The GG was great, but the difference was Kewell & Dukes, they were far better than anything before or subsequent.
Yes Grella might be better than Jedinak, but not by much & opinion, likewise with Bresc to Mooy or Emerton to Leckie.
 
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Robbos said:
Oh be careful of saying that, some might not like you saying that. I've been saying it for years. You are 100% correct!!!!!
Kewell & Viduka, so far the best technically players we have ever produced & by a long way.
The GG was great, but the difference was Kewell & Dukes, they were far better than anything before or subsequent.
Yes Grella might be better than Jedinak, but not by much & opinion, likewise with Bresc to Mooy or Emerton to Leckie.
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There or there about for the other generations. GG still probably slightly more depth, but not a huge discrepancy.

You look at that clip and see the time and space they gave him.
 
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Cunningstunt said:
There or there about for the other generations. GG still probably slightly more depth, but not a huge discrepancy.

You look at that clip and see the time and space they gave him.
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Cunningstunt said:
There or there about for the other generations. GG still probably slightly more depth, but not a huge discrepancy.

You look at that clip and see the time and space they gave him.
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Yep totally agree, that is why they call it the Golden Generation.
 
If you take a generation to be a 6 year period what is the best team you can come up with?

75-80 is the golden generation and is clearly miles ahead of the next best

--------------------------Federici------------------------
-Emerton-------Neill--Moore--------Chipperfield-
---------------------Grella---Culina--------------------------
--------------------------Cahill-----------------------------------
--Bresciano---------Viduka----------------kewell------

69-74

-----------------------Schwarzer------------------------
Muscat-----popavic--Vidmar-------Lazaridis-
-----------------Okon--Skoko-----------------------------
-------------------------Zelic-----------------------------------
--Foster-----------Trimboli---------Tiatto/Zdrillic-

81-86

-------------------------Jones------------------------
-Wilkshire---Milligan-Wilkinson---Carney
------------------Jedinak-----Valeri---------------
--------------------------Holman--------------------
-Garcia--------------Kennedy------Mcdoland-

87-92

------------------------Ryan---------------------------
--R Mcgowan-Sainsbury-Spiranovic-D Mcgowan
----------------------Mooy-luongo--------------------------------
----------------------------Rogic-------------------------------------
-------leckie------------Juric-----------Kruse-----------------

93-98

---------------------------Izzo--------------------------
-Strain-----Souttar--Burgess----Behich--
---------------Irvine----O'Niell--------------------
-----------------------Mcgree-----------------------
-Boyle-------------Duke--------Ikon-----------


almost an entire division between the 75-80 and the next best which all look similar. 93-98 probably the weakest when you consider we had to nationalise players. First generation to not benefit from AIS or a NYL so makes sense there is a drop. 99-2004 will probably be our second strongest depending on how we go with nabbing dual nationals
 
So far for 99-04

---------------------Gauci--------------------
-Miller------Circait--Matthews-----Bos-
----------------Teague--Robbo----------------
----------------------Segacic---------------------
-Drew--------------Toure------------------Volpato-

skews young, but nonetheless going off current, rather than future ability. Two right cbs though
 
grazorblade said:
So far for 99-04

---------------------Gauci--------------------
-Miller------Circait--Matthews-----Bos-
----------------Teague--Robbo----------------
----------------------Segacic---------------------
-Drew--------------Toure------------------Volpato-

skews young, but nonetheless going off current, rather than future ability. Two right cbs though
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First to go through the NC plus aleague academies as well which might explain the up tick.

Hopefully we can continue the momentum going with the aleague, championship along with continued improvements at youth development.
 
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