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grazorblade said:
It's sport, people discuss points of agreement all the time. Most people can bond over just repeating names of players they used to love watching for hours and have a good time.

I tend to think you are just trolling on this forum for your own amusement, and you probably are, but if you are wondering why you get a chilly reception it isn't your opinions.

Is there a football opinion you have that someone else doesn't have on this forum? You see the A league as equal to the conference league, I suspect that is a minority opinion but there are others that rate it that low, SMMike does and he is a regular on the pod! @LFC I believe rates the a league league 2 to conference level too.

The difference is two fold - first, you don't represent other peoples views accurately. For example, in the AA thread you acted as if the majority expected tilio to start for celtic! You don't seem to seek out understanding why people disagree with you. Of course even if you did represent people accurately, people are still going to passionately disagree. Passions are going to fly in football. Look at how @Sutherlandbear and @Sharkman84 had it out with @Monoethnic Social Club.

Second, as highlighted by the post I'm quoting, you don't seem to be for anything. Do you like your local grass roots club/npl club? Are you pro p&r? Are there old socceroos you loved watching and miss. People bond over what they have in common. If you are genuinely want to make friends here and are struggling, find what you have in common with people and chat about that, not just the stuff you disagree with. This is a recreational forum and the effect of always disagreeing and then doing so in a way that isn't engaging the person you are talking to is kind of like walking into a beach resort and yelling at everyone "why you drinking a beer, it makes you fat you moron. Everyone here thinks beer cures cancer and I'm the only truth-teller in this cult. Hey why you walking away you snowflake! Can't handle facts?"
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Excellent points raised, G!
 
RIMB said:
Lupi isn't a troll as such Grazor.

He just loves to 'debate' and trade insults in the age old Aussie fashion as I see it. He would be as happy battling wills over a bottle cap as talking anything else. 'Live banter' is how I would describe his pleasure in here.

Fun to fire off a salvo or two at him/with him from time to time but not a poster to actually discuss anything with or to take comments to heart over.

Here for a different reason to most of us.

If he didn't like cricket so much he would probably be gone by now ;).
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But he doesn't provide banter or take banter either he just takes jabs then goes silent when his proved wrong
 
grazorblade said:
It's sport, people discuss points of agreement all the time. Most people can bond over just repeating names of players they used to love watching for hours and have a good time.

I tend to think you are just trolling on this forum for your own amusement, and you probably are, but if you are wondering why you get a chilly reception it isn't your opinions.

Is there a football opinion you have that someone else doesn't have on this forum? You see the A league as equal to the conference league, I suspect that is a minority opinion but there are others that rate it that low, SMMike does and he is a regular on the pod! @LFC I believe rates the a league league 2 to conference level too.

The difference is two fold - first, you don't represent other peoples views accurately. For example, in the AA thread you acted as if the majority expected tilio to start for celtic! You don't seem to seek out understanding why people disagree with you. Of course even if you did represent people accurately, people are still going to passionately disagree. Passions are going to fly in football. Look at how @Sutherlandbear and @Sharkman84 had it out with @Monoethnic Social Club.

Second, as highlighted by the post I'm quoting, you don't seem to be for anything. Do you like your local grass roots club/npl club? Are you pro p&r? Are there old socceroos you loved watching and miss. People bond over what they have in common. If you are genuinely want to make friends here and are struggling, find what you have in common with people and chat about that, not just the stuff you disagree with. This is a recreational forum and the effect of always disagreeing and then doing so in a way that isn't engaging the person you are talking to is kind of like walking into a beach resort and yelling at everyone "why you drinking a beer, it makes you fat you moron. Everyone here thinks beer cures cancer and I'm the only truth-teller in this cult. Hey why you walking away you snowflake! Can't handle facts?"
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if you're explaining, you're losing the argument
 
melbcityguy said:
But he doesn't provide banter or take banter either he just takes jabs then goes silent when his proved wrong
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Entirely banter when it comes down to it - the content is meaningless.

Lupi plays the man not the ball. As soon as you start talking facts and proof he goes silent because he wants the engagement of wit more than the substance of an actual argument.
Lupi said:
when have I ever been proven wrong?
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You called yourself a messenger but a messenger delivers their message then buggers off. You are still here therefore you are wrong. QED.
 
RIMB said:
Lupi plays the man not the ball. As soon as you start talking facts and proof he goes silent because he wants the engagement of wit more than the substance of an actual argument.

You called yourself a messenger but a messenger delivers their message then buggers off. You are still here therefore you are wrong. QED.
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lol that's what you do, and what you're doing right now

the lack of self awareness that prevails in this place is a constant source of amusement

either I'm posting too often or not posting enough... cant win 🤭 😄
 
RIMB said:
Entirely banter when it comes down to it - the content is meaningless.

Lupi plays the man not the ball. As soon as you start talking facts and proof he goes silent because he wants the engagement of wit more than the substance of an actual argument.

You called yourself a messenger but a messenger delivers their message then buggers off. You are still here therefore you are wrong. QED.
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Oh I see so it's quite a subtle charm he has like an artist appreciating a corner spot on a painting or the musical talents of composer Johannes Brahms.

His banter is quant and clever it just goes over all of our heads because we're not at his level
 
melbcityguy said:
Oh I see so it's quite a subtle charm he has like an artist appreciating a corner spot on a painting or the musical talents of composer Johannes Brahms.

His banter is quant and clever it just goes over all of our heads because we're not at his level
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and this guy's still butthurt over Tilio's failure in Scotland 🤭
 
Lupi said:
lol that's what you do, and what you're doing right now

the lack of self awareness that prevails in this place is a constant source of amusement

either I'm posting too often or not posting enough... cant win 🤭 😄
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What makes you think I was not entirely aware of playing the man? It is a foolish archer who thinks he is the only one with a shaft to nock.

And for the record, I was not saying it in a disparaging way.

For those who do not know or care, in Debating the teams do not get to choose which side they represent and it is irrelevant whether they agree or disagree with their argument - it is about constructing an argument and refuting the opponents argument. Today you could argue that black is white and tomorrow, with equal intensity, could argue that black is black.

Where most people on here argue and discuss based on a love of the sport or passion for some part of it, in debating it is passion for the argument rather than the content itself that matters.

Most of us love football or some part of it to be here - Lupi loves the debate and contest of wits.

He will always walk away at some point because the content itself is meaningless once the challenge of wits is gone.

We often have people 'arguing' towards different ends. Lupi engages as long as he sees challenge in an argument - most others engage until their point is at least recognised.

Best thing is to let Lupi know you understand where he is coming from and that he doesn't actually care about the subject matter on any given day.

Also - a messenger delivers a message by their very nature. You cannot be a messenger for your own opinion - it is just you as a person in that case. Wrong again ;).

Personally I have never cared for debating. Not my strength and not my interest.
 
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