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Australian transfers 25-26 Winter

I think our players can still be appreciated abroad but it's not like the times when Lazaridis was a stand out.

What frustrates me is the players from other countries get the gigs based on early talent but following them over the years, they seem to simply exist in big Italian or Spanish squads. They're good but not worldbeaters. In turn this environment enables their skillet to grow and at least flatten out.

A lot of our players don't even get the chance and then fade away. I'm not saying it's anti Australian, it's just the massive pool compared to the past. That said, I feel if you see an Australian, Nigerian, Colombian and Polish flag amongst 4 candidates, we're going to be 4th choice.

I just wonder to what level our players could grow if provided the training and support. Lord knows how many from other nations have had a go and haven't exactly fulfilled expectations.
 
Cunningstunt said:
Yeah points 1-4 all fall under having more opportunities.
5: Do you mean pro/rel? Because the NSL never really had this, or only briefly correct?
6: We made world cups because we qualified in oceania. But outside of this the current setup in Asia is much better. Agree they have started to take this much more seriously, especially since the decoupling with the APL.

One thought I had about the GG, chatgpt tells me the average age at 2006 WC was 27. So working backwards, their development years would have been from 1988 - 97 (approx?). It seems even before the implosion with the new dawn, the old system had fallen off. Because the drop off after the GG was sudden.
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5 is somewhat pro rel. We had it from 1977-93 and it was a managed system. Even from 1994-04 you get some benefits of p&r because there was a signal to clubs that if you get your house in order, you have a chance to play in the top league. The process wasn't as in your control since it was up to central management, but a lot of the utility of p&r comes from clubs having delusions of grandeur. So even from 94-04 there were still some incentive for grassroots clubs to try to improve. This means that even if you don't produce players good enough for the nsl, the best players are still being developed against better players.
Towards the end of the nsl era, there were less opportunities for grassroots clubs, as franchises were being introduced instead. By the end of the nsl you had 5 traditional clubs and the rest were franchises. The problem with franchises are they are new entities, so it takes a while to build a new youth set up at the club. It was 10 years after the a league started their youth set ups that we started seeing better players coming through. By contrast if you select a team from the state leagues they already have a youth set up that they've been trying to improve for years to get into the nsl.

I agree there was a dropoff, but there was a more drastic decline after the end of the nsl. If I look at players who either regularly played for a top team in a 2nd tier league or in the big 5, I count 10 players born 1976-80 and 9 from 1981-84. However the 81-84 generation was still almost as big as the entire crop with birth years 1985-97 which produced just 10 players in that category

It is also interesting to apply modern theory to the 16 year era of managed p&r. We expect the golden age of technical development to be between 9 and 13 years old, which means that those born 1968-1980 are doing their full skills acquisition phase during an era where we have promotion and relegation, albeit in managed form, then maturing in a system where there are more pathways than today. This is precisely the era we produced our best players in the greatest volume
 
One thing I should say, since p&r is probably at least a decade away we could get many of the benefits of p&r if we just had a system where any club who could pay the salary floor can get in. Doesn't matter if they are a grassroots club or a new franchise.
Expand the A league until you need to split into A1 and A2 and expand the nst at the same time and then merge it into a pyramid
 
Don't like these young player loan returns to the A League. Season starts way later and there's less football. You'd be better of trying any league there with an earlier start and more matches available.
 
JS96 said:
Don't like these young player loan returns to the A League. Season starts way later and there's less football. You'd be better of trying any league there with an earlier start and more matches available.
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They must be trying to do a segasic but I'm not sure when he came back fo Sydney
 
melbcityguy said:
They must be trying to do a segasic but I'm not sure when he came back fo Sydney
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Fair point that it's not impossible to achieve and if you get treated poorly anywhere you won't improve.

I'm torn between playing 4 straight A league seasons from 18-22 then moving vs leaving, loaning back then not sure what the future holds.
 
grazorblade said:
One thing I should say, since p&r is probably at least a decade away we could get many of the benefits of p&r if we just had a system where any club who could pay the salary floor can get in. Doesn't matter if they are a grassroots club or a new franchise.
Expand the A league until you need to split into A1 and A2 and expand the nst at the same time and then merge it into a pyramid
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Not sure if I follow but do you mean any club who can pay professional players can join the A league until it reaches X number of clubs then relegate any of of those that came from a grassroots league back to that league. Of course current A league clubs would be exempt as there would be no league to relegate them to. Hmm.🥴
 
libelous said:
Not sure if I follow but do you mean any club who can pay professional players can join the A league until it reaches X number of clubs then relegate any of of those that came from a grassroots league back to that league. Of course current A league clubs would be exempt as there would be no league to relegate them to. Hmm.🥴
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yeah it would be a start. Once there are enough national leagues and pro clubs take the handbreaks off and just make it p and r
 
libelous said:
But this can’t happen till around 2034 for A League clubs.
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yeah so need something that motivates clubs below until then. Give a list of criteria needed to get into each league and see how many clubs do it. Have a rule that no A league liscenced team cannot go below A2 until 2034. Not perfect but will get most of the benefits of p and r but you also increase the pro pathways
 
grazorblade said:
yeah so need something that motivates clubs below until then. Give a list of criteria needed to get into each league and see how many clubs do it. Have a rule that no A league liscenced team cannot go below A2 until 2034. Not perfect but will get most of the benefits of p and r but you also increase the pro pathways
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Alternatively we could create a developmental side and expand ALM before implementing pro/rel which should still increase the professional pathways but we don't have to wait until 2034 to get most of the benefits which promotion and relegation would offer.
 
Mr Cleansheets said:
Mooy and Rogic both came back to the AL for a successful reset.
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Did Rogic do so much at MV? Mooy is an exceptional example.

My issue is they've got to be playing regularly and the later A League start and fewer available matches can jeopardise that. Nothing wrong with the level which is higher than a lot of continental loan options but the sharpening of skills in this development stage is paramount.
 
JS96 said:
Did Rogic do so much at MV? Mooy is an exceptional example.

My issue is they've got to be playing regularly and the later A League start and fewer available matches can jeopardise that. Nothing wrong with the level which is higher than a lot of continental loan options but the sharpening of skills in this development stage is paramount.
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Rogic was injured for much of his time at Victory so didn't get much game time.
 
Frankly Speaking said:
Has to be said, reading this thread over time, that our talent base has been very ordinary for a long, long time. So many other countries, even small ones like Georgia, from time to time produce real talents. Why doesn't Australia? Even Cahill, on those terms, was pretty unremarkable. Is it because our best athletes are hoovered up by AFL and NRL? What do people think? Quite apart from skillsets, where are our outstanding athletes?
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Surely Tim Cahill can never be 'unremarkable'???
 
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