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The brazil coach trying to bring back individuality

grazorblade

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In every country ive been to people complain that the modern systems approach to football is turning players into robots


I think this has hurt brazil the most who thrive on individual flair only for it to be coached out of them when they go to europe.

well a coach might have found a way to bring some creativity back. This will be interesting to see if it develops into a nt strategy and brazil get their identity back
 
Graz you may have seen I posted something similar but in comment only from the winning WC Argie gaffa who said imagine if they stopped Messi dribbling through sides during his development ages - we’d never have seen him as such.

Sure is interesting what’s happened to Brazil over the last decade and more.
That WC flogging by the Germans back there was unbelievable for eg.
Why is Argentina the King today - similar issues re living etc yet still producing many players who can play todays game.
 
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Graz you may have seen I posted something similar but in comment only from the winning WC Argie gaffa who said imagine if they stopped Messi dribbling through sides during his development ages - we’d never have seen him as such.

Sure is interesting what’s happened to Brazil over the last decade and more.
That WC flogging by the Germans back there was unbelievable for eg.
Why is Argentina the King today - similar issues re living etc yet still producing many players who can play todays game.
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Glad someone noticed this thread

In oz people complain that the ntc is turning people to robots, but i noticed in europe people say the same thing (without blaming the ntc). Its just europe in general, even more so now that peps ideology reigns supreme

But now that most brazillians play club football in europe where they have to learn structured systems football and no one has beaten europes systems heavy approach, football has just that little bit less variety world wide.

argentina have one messi, but most of of their team play like europeans, and their nt is systems heavy. Messi was at barca from very young right? Surprising he kept so much creativity.

Really hope this coach finds a way to play to brazils traditional strengths in creativity, flair and individuality. Dont get me wrong, i love the continental style. But football is better with the variety
 
Graz, I did notice the thread originally but yer, didn't get here but it is a subject worth getting traffic for as you mention we also are struggling developing creativity let alone our ongoing issue for strikers.
Obviosuly we are nothing of the Brazillian pedigree but in the big picture any country desires to produce talent !
I found this article quite interesting re Brazil - which explains a few pieces to the puzzle.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Is Brazil still the land of soccer?

'We're at a low point. We used to have more top-quality athletes,' the late Pele's eldest son, Edinho, said recently.
www.japantimes.co.jp www.japantimes.co.jp

So by that article, the street/poor have lost available grounds to play due to developments - local costs to play, 1 in 5 academies are FOC - isn't that a theme here as well.
.......And many of those pitches are synthetic, a surface some say develops players' technique less than the rough, rocky fields of yesteryear.


Messi went to Barca @ 13yrs, would have gone sooner I expect but he suffered that growth hormone defieciency he was at his local Argie Club Newell's from 6 scoring a motza.
Peps game is still about scoring goals, stretching defence's, openning them up, lets not forget Pep played with some of the most creative players around him incl Messi up front.
IMO he doesn't have "robots" in his teams. Just has the best/better players near on every position playing under structure/shape but also has individuals that are game changers every team needs.
After Aguero retiring he played with false 9's but he knew he needed a forward/striker to finish alot more of the chances created, Haaland comes in.
 
it rings Brazil has fallen behind due to "tech" more mobiles than the population it mentioned, "systems" and the economic climate in that article.
That individual touch learnt on uneven grounds of the past rings true.
 
LFC said:
Graz, I did notice the thread originally but yer, didn't get here but it is a subject worth getting traffic for as you mention we also are struggling developing creativity let alone our ongoing issue for strikers.
Obviosuly we are nothing of the Brazillian pedigree but in the big picture any country desires to produce talent !
I found this article quite interesting re Brazil - which explains a few pieces to the puzzle.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Is Brazil still the land of soccer?

'We're at a low point. We used to have more top-quality athletes,' the late Pele's eldest son, Edinho, said recently.
www.japantimes.co.jp www.japantimes.co.jp

So by that article, the street/poor have lost available grounds to play due to developments - local costs to play, 1 in 5 academies are FOC - isn't that a theme here as well.
.......And many of those pitches are synthetic, a surface some say develops players' technique less than the rough, rocky fields of yesteryear.


Messi went to Barca @ 13yrs, would have gone sooner I expect but he suffered that growth hormone defieciency he was at his local Argie Club Newell's from 6 scoring a motza.
Peps game is still about scoring goals, stretching defence's, openning them up, lets not forget Pep played with some of the most creative players around him incl Messi up front.
IMO he doesn't have "robots" in his teams. Just has the best/better players near on every position playing under structure/shape but also has individuals that are game changers every team needs.
After Aguero retiring he played with false 9's but he knew he needed a forward/striker to finish alot more of the chances created, Haaland comes in.
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Peps football is very attacking but very systems based.

There is that famous story of thierry henry going with his instinct and against his coaches instructions which resulted in aspectacular goal. Pep then subbed him off saying he didnt care it was a goal he had to stick with the system

Interesting that even in brazil the cost is going up. It isnt going uo in europe tho which is strange
 
Sure Pep is anal no doubt that - that was early days re Henry - bet he doesn’t pull up KDB or Silva Foden etc - they go to script then at times go their own way.

Yer interesting re Brazil nowadays.
Not surprised - with so many players over the years getting abroad they see it as the cash cow having academies but doesn’t make sense - more than half the pop are on the poverty line.
Total screw up.
 
LFC said:
Sure Pep is anal no doubt that - that was early days re Henry - bet he doesn’t pull up KDB or Silva Foden etc - they go to script then at times go their own way.

Yer interesting re Brazil nowadays.
Not surprised - with so many players over the years getting abroad they see it as the cash cow having academies but doesn’t make sense - more than half the pop are on the poverty line.
Total screw up.
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I wonder if the expanded club world cup eventually makes a difference. It doesnt address most of brazils issues, but if it means clubs in brazil have more prestige and more national team players can stay in brazil, then they are in charge of the style they play and can encourage more creativity at club level
 
Reading between the lines I kind of read being all the good players leave the local leagues are suffering And academy training of robots and on synthetic isn’t helping at all.
It’s changing the style they used to have.
 
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Reading between the lines I kind of read being all the good players leave the local leagues are suffering And academy training of robots and on synthetic isn’t helping at all.
It’s changing the style they used to have.
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Yeah i guess they are training players europe will like
 
Same coach right?



Downside of encouraging individuality is sometimes the players dont listen to ur instructions haha
 
In your first link coach was Diniz the above one not same bloke though.
What a hoot
Imagine doing that to Marcelo
 
hey Graz this just came out earlier this morn fyi.....some interesting reading, certainly not about youth development but their NT have lacked as results show, he maybe the one to implement changes to their play and influence their leagues ahead..
www.espn.com

Does Flamengo's Filipe Luis offer hope for Brazilian coaches?

Brazilian coaches are few and far between, especially ones with top-flight experience. Can former Atleti and Chelsea star Filipe Luis usher in a new era?
www.espn.com www.espn.com
He sure has had quick success transition from player to coach thats for sure.
"Similar traits have been on display in the last few weeks, only this time from the touchline rather than the left-back position. He can switch systems and approaches. Flamengo are an attack-minded team; playing sometimes with a four-man box midfield, and at other times with a pair of wingers. No matter the setup, Filipe Luis sends his team out to impose themselves on the game. But in the second leg of the cup semifinal, defending a 1-0 lead, they had a striker sent off early. The response of the coach? Take off the other striker and bet on all-out, blanket defence."

Even though Luis looking ahead could be considered the Selecos future gaffa I saw one of the usual goss topics quoting Pep is coming to end his Club coaching cycle AND that Brazil NT is possibly the next big surprise move.
Again as mentioned could be typical media goss headlines.
 
Postional play vs Relationism, its an interesting discussion and I can see it being more prevalent as the game continues to evolve tactically.
 
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