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Punchanello said:
The guidance was to use the term with "attribution". A fact conveniently ignored in the article.
Spot the difference -

Protesters in the mid-west are terrorists vs
Trump says "protesters in the midwest are terrorists"

Yesterday's events were a terrorist attack vs
Security agencies have confirmed that yesterday's explosions were terrorist attacks.

The outrage on this is confected and dishonest, not to mention ironic coming from where it comes from.
These standards are around for good reasons. Terms like terrorist can be used very loosely for political purposes. Security agencies have very specific and nuanced definitions of terrorism and generally speaking, credible journalists prefer to attribute politically loaded language to its source or to official definitions to avoid a perception of bias. It's an attempt to guard against the type of disgraceful politicised coverage we saw here in Australia around the Hamas attacks/Israeli occupation/Bondi shootings.

It's not unusual, or a new CBC standard or specifically applied only to 9/11 although that was the example used in the editorial standard.
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Rightly or wrongly it is a classic case of headlines stripping away the nuance to manufacture a bit of outrage.....

Public broadcasters are constantly under attack from the outrage mob and It is a difficult environment for these kinds of public media organisations right now.
 
Punchanello said:
The guidance was to use the term with "attribution". A fact conveniently ignored in the article.
Spot the difference -

Protesters in the mid-west are terrorists vs
Trump says "protesters in the midwest are terrorists"

Yesterday's events were a terrorist attack vs
Security agencies have confirmed that yesterday's explosions were terrorist attacks.

The outrage on this is confected and dishonest, not to mention ironic coming from where it comes from.
These standards are around for good reasons. Terms like terrorist can be used very loosely for political purposes. Security agencies have very specific and nuanced definitions of terrorism and generally speaking, credible journalists prefer to attribute politically loaded language to its source or to official definitions to avoid a perception of bias. It's an attempt to guard against the type of disgraceful politicised coverage we saw here in Australia around the Hamas attacks/Israeli occupation/Bondi shootings.

It's not unusual, or a new CBC standard or specifically applied only to 9/11 although that was the example used in the editorial standard.
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Standard seems breached here in this headline or have they escaped due to attribution in the article itself. Is saying Quebec reacted to a terrorist attack attribution that it's their words rather than the broadcaster?

I get there are these standards and for good reason but it also allows them to tiptoe around things and reframe it. I don't think their staff could do this so quickly verbally for example. Public broadcasters have really been pushing their luck.
 
Football us life said:
Rightly or wrongly it is a classic case of headlines stripping away the nuance to manufacture a bit of outrage.....

Public broadcasters are constantly under attack from the outrage mob and It is a difficult environment for these kinds of public media organisations right now.
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Public broadcasters have become very selective in what they report on a national scale. Something doesn't fit their agenda? It gets filed away as 'local news'. The German public broadcaster has been called out numerous times and they reply with this. You can see it on debate shows when a guest calls them out or says something they don't like. Their body language changes and they deflect or move on very quickly. It's devoid of open free discussion and they'll bring out some silly self made charter about rules of speech on the panel.

Some sex attack involving migrants or Lebanese gangs= just a little story in Berlin.

Some German kid did a Hitler salute at school (must be condemned) = one hour special report.

I think even within public broadcasters, there are naturally different opinions amongst the staff themselves. They need to be careful not to reach a group think mentality.
 
JS96 said:
Public broadcasters have become very selective in what they report on a national scale. Something doesn't fit their agenda? It gets filed away as 'local news'. The German public broadcaster has been called out numerous times and they reply with this. You can see it on debate shows when a guest calls them out or says something they don't like. Their body language changes and they deflect or move on very quickly. It's devoid of open free discussion and they'll bring out some silly self made charter about rules of speech on the panel.

Some sex attack involving migrants or Lebanese gangs= just a little story in Berlin.

Some German kid did a Hitler salute at school (must be condemned) = one hour special report.

I think even within public broadcasters, there are naturally different opinions amongst the staff themselves. They need to be careful not to reach a group think mentality.
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Fair points mate...👍

I watch and listen to both the BBC and ABC for my tv and radio news and views.

And also France 24 because I enjoy the French perspective particularly on the European front.

They all serve my particular needs pretty well.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Icelanders are set to vote on EU accession tomorrow!
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Had that at pub quiz on Wednesday. Our table guessed Albania.

Iceland are already in the EEA so the changes might not be that large.

The stupid thing about the EEA and the EU is making freedom of movement mandatory. The UK already had a buffer with Schengen for non EU migration but the EU just opened the floodgates in 2007. I was there and suddenly our pub wages were undermined by the influx. Swedish bankers are conveniently used at the net EU migrant contributors and not the 10 Lithuanians in one flat.
 
JS96 said:
Had that at pub quiz on Wednesday. Our table guessed Albania.

Iceland are already in the EEA so the changes might not be that large.

The stupid thing about the EEA and the EU is making freedom of movement mandatory. The UK already had a buffer with Schengen for non EU migration but the EU just opened the floodgates in 2007. I was there and suddenly our pub wages were undermined by the influx. Swedish bankers are conveniently used at the net EU migrant contributors and not the 10 Lithuanians in one flat.
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I think done right things like the EEA, EU, the euro and Schengen Area are great. Immigration is a problem but if governments work to fix it then there’s clearly huge benefits, which is why I can’t say I’m Eurosceptic even if I think the EU as an organisation should handle some things better.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I think done right things like the EEA, EU, the euro and Schengen Area are great. Immigration is a problem but if governments work to fix it then there’s clearly huge benefits, which is why I can’t say I’m Eurosceptic even if I think the EU as an organisation should handle some things better.
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Yeah done right. It's not. For the amount of promise they EU has made in quality of life they've certainly underdelivered. In turn individual European nations have made their own bumbling mistakes and they're just so devoid of reflection and change.
 
JS96 said:
Yeah done right. It's not. For the amount of promise they EU has made in quality of life they've certainly underdelivered. In turn individual European nations have made their own bumbling mistakes and they're just so devoid of reflection and change.
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I mean it’s working for a lot of countries. Croatia and Slovenia have seen major improvements from joining the EU, for instance. Slovenia largely benefitted when they adopted the euro and Croatia eventually will too.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I mean it’s working for a lot of countries. Croatia and Slovenia have seen major improvements from joining the EU, for instance. Slovenia largely benefitted when they adopted the euro and Croatia eventually will too.
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Here's hoping for Croatia. I've heard their prices have skyrocketed since the Euro was introduced and the government said it'll come down hard on rip off merchants. Slovenia has always been the exception from Yugoslavia.

Slovenia has benefited immensely from companies moving there. A Hannover laser company manufacturers there. I personally find it embarrassing that their boss can proudly state that when it shit on the original jobs. It's up to Germany to manage its own ridiculous costs too. I can't see any of it coming back.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
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According to the left, white Australians with European heritage aren't Australians because only indigenous people are Australian. Meanwhile someone on a bridging visa from Sudan who has committed a crime is definitely Australian and should be allowed to stay.

Many countries now have this aspect of 'passport' nationalities. You hear it a lot in the news of some 'Australian' involved in trouble abroad. If it's some Lebanese crime bloke then he's hardly Australian. He's just got a passport out of convenience. It's the same with Germans of Turkish heritage being imprisoned in Turkey. They were hardly ever German.

If a Russian bloke had an Indian passport and caught up in India, I hardly think he'd be classified as Indian.
 
JS96 said:
Here's hoping for Croatia. I've heard their prices have skyrocketed since the Euro was introduced and the government said it'll come down hard on rip off merchants.
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Slovenia was initially the same but ended up being better. Croatia has high inflation now but it’ll get better once it settles down. They only adopted it in 2023 after joining in 2013, while Slovenia did it in 2007 after joining the EU in 2004.
JS96 said:
Slovenia has always been the exception from Yugoslavia.
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It’s certainly a more liberal and Western European-minded country, probably even more so than Italy. There’s huge public support for EU membership and the euro there and they’ve legalised gay marriage (which Italy hasn’t and obviously won’t under Giorgia Meloni). They were also the first and quickest to get out of Yugoslavia by crushing the Serbs to win the 10-Day War in 1991.
JS96 said:
Slovenia has benefited immensely from companies moving there.
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I would say the euro played a big part in that. If they had the tolar still it would be less attractive.
JS96 said:
A Hannover laser company manufacturers there. I personally find it embarrassing that their boss can proudly state that when it shit on the original jobs. It's up to Germany to manage its own ridiculous costs too. I can't see any of it coming back.
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The wages are lower there so that would probably be part of the reason why they moved there. Slovenia’s minimum wage is €8.55 while Germany’s is €13.90. Both lower than Australia ($26.44 or $26.27 in WA) but Germany’s is closer to ours.
 
JS96 said:
According to the left, white Australians with European heritage aren't Australians because only indigenous people are Australian. Meanwhile someone on a bridging visa from Sudan who has committed a crime is definitely Australian and should be allowed to stay.

Many countries now have this aspect of 'passport' nationalities. You hear it a lot in the news of some 'Australian' involved in trouble abroad. If it's some Lebanese crime bloke then he's hardly Australian. He's just got a passport out of convenience. It's the same with Germans of Turkish heritage being imprisoned in Turkey. They were hardly ever German.

If a Russian bloke had an Indian passport and caught up in India, I hardly think he'd be classified as Indian.
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Yeah but from what we know these Aussie citizens in Nepal aren’t criminals. These people are purely being racist.

That being said, I really hope anyone affected by the events in Nepal and Tibet are okay. Hundreds of innocent people are dead and thousands are injured or missing.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Slovenia was initially the same but ended up being better. Croatia has high inflation now but it’ll get better once it settles down. They only adopted it in 2023 after joining in 2013, while Slovenia did it in 2007 after joining the EU in 2004.

It’s certainly a more liberal and Western European-minded country, probably even more so than Italy. There’s huge public support for EU membership and the euro there and they’ve legalised gay marriage (which Italy hasn’t and obviously won’t under Giorgia Meloni). They were also the first and quickest to get out of Yugoslavia by crushing the Serbs to win the 10-Day War in 1991.

I would say the euro played a big part in that. If they had the tolar still it would be less attractive.

The wages are lower there so that would probably be part of the reason why they moved there. Slovenia’s minimum wage is €8.55 while Germany’s is €13.90. Both lower than Australia ($26.44 or $26.27 in WA) but Germany’s is closer to ours.
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I've seen Slovenia as an offshoot to Italy and more Western leaning for a good whole now. They didn't want a bar of the Yugoslavia drama. A fine country by the looks with its challenges but certainly doing well on its own terms.

A labour hour in Germany for car manufacturing is about 4 times higher than Hungary so they moved all the stuff over there. German workers still vote for parties that promote this kind of stuff. It's just idiotic how people can't see that if you're at the top you have more to lose and naive leader say 'just retrain'. There's nothing they can feasibly retrain into not to mention the training system is outdated and flawed.

Oh to win the lotto or rob a bank and just get away from all of it.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Yeah but from what we know these Aussie citizens in Nepal aren’t criminals. These people are purely being racist.

That being said, I really hope anyone affected by the events in Nepal and Tibet are okay. Hundreds of innocent people are dead and thousands are injured or missing.
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I think it's the same nearly anywhere. It's cultural. A Spanish citizen in peril abroad of Turkish heritage and Turkish lifestyle isn't really Spanish.

I highly doubt Turks accept naturalised people elsewhere as Turkish. Japan meanwhile... They really do get off scot free with their system but it's also to be commended that they want to maintain their culture.
 
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