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How on God's green earth do you know that? Did you take a poll?
Because generally speaking they don’t even go out of their way to call themselves gay or lesbian or bi unless it’s relevant such as advocating for equal rights or in events like Mardi Gras or Pride. Meanwhile they represent Australia internationally and talk about being Aussie. It’s really not even a fair comparison.
 
Any evidence to support your assumption that these boys:

1) mooch of the system
Being developed in Australian academies, benefiting from welfare and our public education and healthcare systems is living off our system. If you don’t have Australian values or see yourself as Australian then that’s rorting our system when there’s other people who need it more.
2) Don't acknowledge they lived in Australia
I’m sure they acknowledge they live here but they don’t seem to care about being Aussie. In their eyes, it seems they believe they live here but are foreigners. In that case they’re essentially expats.
3) Don't speak English
Obviously they speak English. Actually, I don’t even know if they speak their own native languages. There’s a good chance they’re Eurosnobs who know little about their culture but solely identify with it.
4) Refused to integrate with Australian culture
My point was in reference to a small but vocal minority in general, rather than them. I used Spain as an example because they were in the news recently after Moroccans tried to essentially invade Ceuta. Achraf Hakimi (an accused rapist being defended by several Morocco teammates by the way) doesn’t consider himself Spanish, though he does speak the language. Interestingly he lost the French language (which is widely spoken by educated Moroccans) as a result of his family moving to Spain, but learnt it at PSG.
(whatever it is that you think THAT is in a society made up of hundreds of differing cultures - not everyone wears thongs, drinks VB and beats their wife)
You can simultaneously have Australian culture and your own, but you must share our values. Don’t disrespect us and we won’t disrespect you. If you’re fine with covering your knees in a mosque then why aren’t you fine with not judging Australians or not committing crimes here?

Violence against women is actually less common in Australia than almost any other country. Even our next door neighbours PNG have a catastrophically higher rate (50-70% of Papuan women will be assaulted and/or raped during their lifetime).
5) Don't eat Australian food (again see racist bullshit above)
It’s really not racist or even against multiculturalism. I just think they should embrace Australia as much if not more than their ethnic background.
6) Refuse to care about Australia or disrespect it in anyway (apart from playing for underage Aussie teams that is)
If they had the choice to play internationals then of course they’d take it but as soon as the more successful European nations came along they left us, a country with a limited pool of players, for those countries, many of which have world-class football academies that could create several generations of world-class and other great players.
Your so convinced you can know what is going in on these kids minds, why? Because you saw it on Instagram or some influencer told you so?
No, I’m just sick of people born and raised here refusing to accept this country but then getting a pass for being millionaires and celebrities. There are genuine ordinary people in this country struggling under this government and yet our tax dollars are supporting clowns like them who don’t even care about Australia.

I’m also sick of talented players abusing our system only to reject us whilst our game is still crying out for investment and support. If we can create the best cricket team in the world then there’s nothing stopping us from trying to create a talented soccer team.
 
Because generally speaking they don’t even go out of their way to call themselves gay or lesbian or bi unless it’s relevant such as advocating for equal rights or in events like Mardi Gras or Pride. Meanwhile they represent Australia internationally and talk about being Aussie. It’s really not even a fair comparison.
Not sure how or why this is relevant?

again:

You cant bang on pretending to be some sort of champion of gay women's football, or however you want tor represent yourself, and fail to grasp that one simple basic reality... YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..

YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
 
Being developed in Australian academies, benefiting from welfare and our public education and healthcare systems is living off our system. If you don’t have Australian values or see yourself as Australian then that’s rorting our system when there’s other people who need it more.

I’m sure they acknowledge they live here but they don’t seem to care about being Aussie. In their eyes, it seems they believe they live here but are foreigners. In that case they’re essentially expats.

Obviously they speak English. Actually, I don’t even know if they speak their own native languages. There’s a good chance they’re Eurosnobs who know little about their culture but solely identify with it.

My point was in reference to a small but vocal minority in general, rather than them. I used Spain as an example because they were in the news recently after Moroccans tried to essentially invade Ceuta. Achraf Hakimi (an accused rapist being defended by several Morocco teammates by the way) doesn’t consider himself Spanish, though he does speak the language. Interestingly he lost the French language (which is widely spoken by educated Moroccans) as a result of his family moving to Spain, but learnt it at PSG.

You can simultaneously have Australian culture and your own, but you must share our values. Don’t disrespect us and we won’t disrespect you. If you’re fine with covering your knees in a mosque then why aren’t you fine with not judging Australians or not committing crimes here?

Violence against women is actually less common in Australia than almost any other country. Even our next door neighbours PNG have a catastrophically higher rate (50-70% of Papuan women will be assaulted and/or raped during their lifetime).

It’s really not racist or even against multiculturalism. I just think they should embrace Australia as much if not more than their ethnic background.

If they had the choice to play internationals then of course they’d take it but as soon as the more successful European nations came along they left us, a country with a limited pool of players, for those countries, many of which have world-class football academies that could create several generations of world-class and other great players.

No, I’m just sick of people born and raised here refusing to accept this country but then getting a pass for being millionaires and celebrities. There are genuine ordinary people in this country struggling under this government and yet our tax dollars are supporting clowns like them who don’t even care about Australia.

I’m also sick of talented players abusing our system only to reject us whilst our game is still crying out for investment and support. If we can create the best cricket team in the world then there’s nothing stopping us from trying to create a talented soccer team.
I think this is getting pretty far off topic. Aside from not representing Australia in sport, I don't think any of the guys have done any of the other things you are talking about. Most of these things can/will be repaid by living here, being good citizens and contributed taxes rather than playing football for us.

There is a 'debt' to the Australian football community. I'd like that to mean they play for us, but there are other ways they can contribute to the game here over the length of a career in football even if they decide not to.
 
Being developed in Australian academies, benefiting from welfare and our public education and healthcare systems is living off our system. If you don’t have Australian values or see yourself as Australian then that’s rorting our system when there’s other people who need it more.

I’m sure they acknowledge they live here but they don’t seem to care about being Aussie. In their eyes, it seems they believe they live here but are foreigners. In that case they’re essentially expats.

Obviously they speak English. Actually, I don’t even know if they speak their own native languages. There’s a good chance they’re Eurosnobs who know little about their culture but solely identify with it.

My point was in reference to a small but vocal minority in general, rather than them. I used Spain as an example because they were in the news recently after Moroccans tried to essentially invade Ceuta. Achraf Hakimi (an accused rapist being defended by several Morocco teammates by the way) doesn’t consider himself Spanish, though he does speak the language. Interestingly he lost the French language (which is widely spoken by educated Moroccans) as a result of his family moving to Spain, but learnt it at PSG.

You can simultaneously have Australian culture and your own, but you must share our values. Don’t disrespect us and we won’t disrespect you. If you’re fine with covering your knees in a mosque then why aren’t you fine with not judging Australians or not committing crimes here?

Violence against women is actually less common in Australia than almost any other country. Even our next door neighbours PNG have a catastrophically higher rate (50-70% of Papuan women will be assaulted and/or raped during their lifetime).

It’s really not racist or even against multiculturalism. I just think they should embrace Australia as much if not more than their ethnic background.

If they had the choice to play internationals then of course they’d take it but as soon as the more successful European nations came along they left us, a country with a limited pool of players, for those countries, many of which have world-class football academies that could create several generations of world-class and other great players.

No, I’m just sick of people born and raised here refusing to accept this country but then getting a pass for being millionaires and celebrities. There are genuine ordinary people in this country struggling under this government and yet our tax dollars are supporting clowns like them who don’t even care about Australia.

I’m also sick of talented players abusing our system only to reject us whilst our game is still crying out for investment and support. If we can create the best cricket team in the world then there’s nothing stopping us from trying to create a talented soccer team.
There is a lot to unpack there, but I think this goes beyond any argument I can give you. There is a lot of assumption and presumption in your judgement of what are, in essence, strangers to you.

Again, YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL.. I mean you can , just as long you understand that this is only your opinion and hopefully NOT that of the rest of Australia.
 
I think this is getting pretty far off topic. Aside from not representing Australia in sport, I don't think any of the guys have done any of the other things you are talking about. Most of these things can/will be repaid by living here, being good citizens and contributed taxes rather than playing football for us.

There is a 'debt' to the Australian football community. I'd like that to mean they play for us, but there are other ways they can contribute to the game here over the length of a career in football even if they decide not to.
100% And yet that "football debt" is really to their parents that paid for all of the exorbitant soccer fees growing up.
 
100% And yet that "football debt" is really to their parents that paid for all of the exorbitant soccer fees growing up.
I'm not really talking about financial only. The football ecosystem is sustained through hard work, time, volunteering etc of a lot of people. Flawed as it is, it still provides the pathways and kids benefit from it.
 
Anyways I'm gonna chip in - I guess with a Switzerland view.

Yes they're Australian, but seeing as this is a football first forum, I think it's correct to rule them out as 'non-Australian's'. In saying that, unless there's a separate Katy Perry thread (see what I did there?), they should probably have updates in this thread until then.

EDIT - Although, in effect, that's what this thread already is, given that Aussies Abroad should be solely kept for those still eligible to represent Australia
 
Not sure how or why this is relevant?

again:

You cant bang on pretending to be some sort of champion of gay women's football, or however you want tor represent yourself, and fail to grasp that one simple basic reality... YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..

YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
YOU CANNOT TELL ANYONE ELSE HOW AUSTRALIAN THEY ARE OR FEEL..
How is believing in gender equality and LGBTQIA rights connected with believing someone feels Australian or not?
 
How is believing in gender equality and LGBTQIA rights connected with believing someone feels Australian or not?
So you respect someones right to self determination around sex and sexual orientation (which is admirable) but you IMPOSE your beliefs around what is and isn't considered Australian??? Why does one group of humans get your support and another doesn't? Does this NOT strike you as being discriminatory?
 
It's pretty ungrateful to come here and mooch of our system and then refuse to acknowledge you live here and are Australian. Imagine if I went to Spain and refused to learn any Spanish, refused to integrate with Spanish culture, refused to eat any Spanish food, refused to call myself Spanish, refused to have any Spanish friends and refused to care about Spain at all, despite mooching off the Spanish system, living and working in Spain (the country of the Spaniards), using services in Spain and benefitting from Spanish taxpayers. Yet that's exactly what happens.

...

Yeah this has bothered me ever since Simunic and then once his football career is behind him, he came back to mooch some more..

Viduka and Zelic are legend Aussies in my mind.
 
How on God's green earth do you know that? Did you take a poll?

BTW I wasnt trying to be homophobic or sexist (nice try) just questioning your moral ambiguity.



Any evidence to support your assumption that these boys:

1) mooch of the system
2) Don't acknowledge they lived in Australia
3) Don't speak English
4)Refused to integrate with Australian Culture (whatever it is that you think THAT is in a society made up of hundreds of differing cultures - not everyone wears thongs, drinks VB and beats their wife)
5)Don't eat Australian food (again see racist bullshit above)
6) refuse to care about Australia or disrespect it in anyway (apart from playing for underage Aussie teams that is)

Your so convinced you can know what is going in on these kids minds, why? Because you saw it on Instagram or some influencer told you so?

If you're not going to represent your nation when it honours you with call up, then you really are not Australian. You're someone who lives in Australia and might have a piece of paper that says you're a citizen, but that's it. Speak whatever you want, eat whatever, but when you don't answer the call, its clear where your heart is.
 
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