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Expansion Thread 🪜

SocceroosFan84 said:
What does clubs based on monocultural ethnic identity bring the game in this country two parts of sweet fuck all.

Bitter old cunts like you don't want what's best for the game in this country, you just want your little tinpot ethnic social club back in and you sit there scratching your nuts wondering why no one bothers.

It's not the 1980's anymore, the game has moved on from those clubs, time you moved into the 21st century.
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Imagine knowing so little that you’d call Club Marconi and The Lion (Richlands) “little tinpot ethnic social clubs”.
Meanwhile, 20 years on Brisbane Roar has no club at all. That’s the 21st century football club you dream of?
 
patjennings said:
Expansion does not work beyond two teams per city. That was the problem with Western United (we are pretending to be West Melbourne) and Campbelltown. Meanwhile Geelong and Wollongong - different cities were ignored.

TBH I think the only way to go to a third side in a city is through P & R. i.e. if South Melbourne came in via promotion they bring their supporters with them and we're not looking to a slice a finite pie into smaller pieces.
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I agree, it’s clearly not working. The MLS keeps expanding but they don’t have more than one team per city except in LA and NY (and even then only one team plays in NYC proper). The NWSL only has one team per city and is also expanding. The CPL and NSL are the same.

Realistically it should be one team per city (except for Melbourne and Sydney with two each) and then pro/rel for anything more. If Western United are to make a comeback it should be in Geelong.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I agree, it’s clearly not working. The MLS keeps expanding but they don’t have more than one team per city except in LA and NY (and even then only one team plays in NYC proper). The NWSL only has one team per city and is also expanding. The CPL and NSL are the same.

Realistically it should be one team per city (except for Melbourne and Sydney with two each) and then pro/rel for anything more. If Western United are to make a comeback it should be in Geelong.
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How are Macarthur surviving? Or are they not?
 
dr. bellows said:
How are Macarthur surviving? Or are they not?
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Good question. Like Western I can unfortunately see them eventually folding, even if they stick around for a while (like Western did, or even longer than they did). That being said there's always rumours that fly around at the end of every season that they're folding, including a rumour last season that they had already handed in their licence (which appears to not be true). They still don't have a women's team (outside the NPLW) either.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Good question. Like Western I can unfortunately see them eventually folding, even if they stick around for a while (like Western did, or even longer than they did). That being said there's always rumours that fly around at the end of every season that they're folding, including a rumour last season that they had already handed in their licence (which appears to not be true). They still don't have a women's team (outside the NPLW) either.
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OK, fair enough. But let's suppose, for arguments sake, that 3 each could survive in the AL in Melbourne and Sydney. And if all the financial problems be solved with the wave of a wand, then I'd go with a 16-10 model. 16 clubs x 2 in the AL with a finals series, 10 clubs Ă— 4 in the NSD with pro/rel playoffs between the leagues at seasons end. So 26 clubs required. 3 Sydney, 3 Melbourne, 2 Adelaide, 2 Brisbane, 2 Auckland, 1 each Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Gosford, Canberra, Wollongong, Hobart, Wellington, Christchurch. 5 more required to go from NPL into NSD. 2 Perth Clubs into Indonesia (expanded to 20 first season with 4 relegated, 2 promoted. Darwin into Singapore ( Darwin Cubs withdraw from Singaore because of financials). For me, that would be ideal. Unfortunately, I can't see any way to realise the dream (or some people's nightmare, lol).
 
dr. bellows said:
OK, fair enough. But let's suppose, for arguments sake, that 3 each could survive in the AL in Melbourne and Sydney. And if all the financial problems be solved with the wave of a wand, then I'd go with a 16-10 model. 16 clubs x 2 in the AL with a finals series, 10 clubs Ă— 4 in the NSD with pro/rel playoffs between the leagues at seasons end. So 26 clubs required. 3 Sydney, 3 Melbourne, 2 Adelaide, 2 Brisbane, 2 Auckland, 1 each Sunshine Coast, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Gosford, Canberra, Wollongong, Hobart, Wellington, Christchurch. 5 more required to go from NPL into NSD. 2 Perth Clubs into Indonesia (expanded to 20 first season with 4 relegated, 2 promoted. Darwin into Singapore ( Darwin Cubs withdraw from Singaore because of financials). For me, that would be ideal. Unfortunately, I can't see any way to realise the dream (or some people's nightmare, lol).
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I kinda get what you’re saying but realistically 26 clubs is too much (the Prem only has 20) and I don’t think we can get teams from Indo or S’pore. They’ve got their own leagues and pyramids. The reason NZ, PNG and Pacific countries work is because there’s no pro league there (other than the OPL).
 
Just for good measure, I'd take Auckland out of the OFC pro-league and add in Cairns, Townsville and New Caledonia, if things have settled there.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I kinda get what you’re saying but realistically 26 clubs is too much (the Prem only has 20) and I don’t think we can get teams from Indo or S’pore. They’ve got their own leagues and pyramids. The reason NZ, PNG and Pacific countries work is because there’s no pro league there (other than the OPL).
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I get that but England has 4 divisions and 92 clubs if my quick maths is correct. Anyway, I basically agree with you that it's not going to happen.
 
CentreHalf said:
- Add in Sunshine Coast for the 2028/2029 season
- Strike an agreement with Melbourne City to move to a permanent new home in Dandenong - This is an absolute must.
- Make moves to get a group from Wollongong together to buy the Macarthur licence
- Get a proper Western Melbourne group together and start building a stadium in Geelong or Werribee. Werribee will be a large urban area inside 10 years
- Build a 15k stadium in Brisbane for the Roar
- Bring Canberra in
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Whats your timeframe for all these?

It sounds like a 5+ year plan, in which case don't discount Tasmania which is seeing a lot of development/change in the sports field (no pun intended). I concede we would not be anywhere near an ideal candidate for ~2028.
 
South co-president Bill Papastergiadis told the Herald Sun the club would throw its hat in the ring once again after Western United’s licence was terminated.
“We’ve built the technical base for a club that’s needed to enter the A-League,” he said.
“We will be submitting documents (to the Australian Professional Leagues) and our supporters demand it”.
It comes after Western United was stripped of its A-Leagues licence on Monday, putting the nail in the coffin of a trouble-plagued saga for the club.
In a bid to strengthen advocacy and off field performance the club also added former Labor MP Philip Dalidakis to its board in recent months.
 
SMFC1959 said:
Doesn't make financial sense for South Melbourne FC to play in the A League. We make serious money from competing in the OFC Pro League with travel/accommodation costs covered by State/Federal Governments. There is no prize money in winning the A League, whilst South is rumoured to have won at least $150,000 USD from finishing runners up in the OFC Pro League.

At the end of the day, it always comes down to money.
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Good on South for winning some of FIFA’s lucre. It’s crazy that the amount is still not known!
 
Beretta said:
well that didnt take long did it.

will they still chant, "you can stick your A-league up your ass"?
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Those who chant that dont wanna be in it. What the club wants and want a portion of the supporters want arent always alligned.

My theory is they've seen the absolute shitshow of the last few weeks and are now desperate to get out of the npl bubble.
 
southmelb said:
Those who chant that dont wanna be in it. What the club wants and want a portion of the supporters want arent always alligned.

My theory is they've seen the absolute shitshow of the last few weeks and are now desperate to get out of the npl bubble.
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What is this in reference to?
 
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