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Glenardo said:
Most Greeks send their kids to Greek school on weekends to make sure they do. Most Italians didn’t. Also many Italian migrants come from places where a regional dialect was the main form of communication at home, not the Italian national language. Those are harder to maintain because they’re largely useless outside the home/village, one Italian kid with parents who spoke a Naples dialect at home may not has even have been able to understand a kid speaking a sicilian dialect at school for example. I see it changing, I’ve noticed many of the newer arrivals from the more recent wave in the past 10-15 years have learnt from the “mistake” previous generations made and are making a point of passing on the language. Dialects are less prevent than they were 50 years ago, the national Italian language is much more national now. Many of the generation who came from the south of Italy, particularly small towns in the post ww2 era may not have even spoken “Italian” properly
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Monday nights, weekends are for football :P
 
Glenardo said:
Most Greeks send their kids to Greek school on weekends to make sure they do. Most italains didn’t. Also many Italian migrants come from places where a regional dialect was the main form of communication at home, not the Italian national language. Those are harder to maintain because they’re largely useless outside the home/village. I see it changing, I’ve noticed many of the newer arrivals from the more recent wave in the past 10-15 years have learnt from the “mistake” previous generations made and are making a point of passing on the language. Dialects are less prevent than they were 50 years ago, the national Italian language is much more national now. Many of the generation who came from the south of Italy, particularly small towns in the post ww2 era may not have even spoken “Italian” properly
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Great point actually, I completely forgot about all the regional dialects and languages in Italy plus the time period where language learning was less common except for migrants and the elite (with the exception of some countries,
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
In this country you don't need the "effnik boogyman" to bash soccer.. They've been doing it for 20 years to the Aleague... whats the difference?
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I think FUL’s referring to a specific type of fans rather than general fan culture. In saying that I suppose a lot of clubs have those type of pricks too.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I think FUL’s referring to a specific type of fans rather than general fan culture. In saying that I suppose a lot of clubs have those type of pricks too.
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The most prominent recent example was that 2022 Australia Cup Final against Macarthur FC. A minority of those United fans were caught on camera doing Nazi/fascist salutes. And chanting "Za dom spremni".....

Also booing the Welcome to Country thing.

All the sort of things the mainstream Australian media tend to jump heavily on.

And yes every club has this kind of element in its crowd but I just get the feeling that Sydney United have a media targeting issue more than most.
 
jimshady said:
Leaks about NST or ALeague?
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I thought we were talking in general so I mentioned the NST.

Monoethnic Social Club said:
They weren't leaks.. The FA came out with a list of publicised criteria for clubs to meet.... its the Aleague licensing criteria which has NEVER been made public. even to clubs that were bidding for a license.
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A-League sure. But the NST, there certainly were leaks from behind the NDAs, not publicised by FA.

Still early days with this South news, maybe the leaks will come eventually 😉
 
HappyGuus said:
I thought we were talking in general so I mentioned the NST.


A-League sure. But the NST, there certainly were leaks from behind the NDAs, not publicised by FA.

Still early days with this South news, maybe the leaks will come eventually 😉
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Oh Im sure Sunday is going to be like an episode of desperate housewives of Lakeside.
 
Football us life said:
The most prominent recent example was that 2022 Australia Cup Final against Macarthur FC. A minority of those United fans were caught on camera doing Nazi/fascist salutes. And chanting "Za dom spremni".....

Also booing the Welcome to Country thing.

All the sort of things the mainstream Australian media tend to jump heavily on.

And yes every club has this kind of element in its crowd but I just get the feeling that Sydney United have a media targeting issue more than most.
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3 people out of 5 thousand isnt really a "minority" mate...
 
SMFC1959 said:
We Hellas fans have been down this path too many times over the last 20 years.

It's just hot air and empty words. The APL are trying to generate competitive tension for franchise licence fees.

If Hellas had $15 million, it would be better off investing it in assets that generate revenue. Not to prop up the ponzi scheme of franchise football.
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Interesting the sums might work out pretty well compared to a franchise

I expect 6k minimum average extra attendees. At 50 per attendee in food and tickets thats around 4mil a year. Apl distribution is 500k. Sponsorship and transfer revenue likely 1.5mil a year extra

Expenses are an extra 500k travel and 2mil in wages. Even a 15mil license might be lucrative and id expect south to negotiate a lower license fee
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Great point actually, I completely forgot about all the regional dialects and languages in Italy plus the time period where language learning was less common except for migrants and the elite (with the exception of some countries,
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I’m probably an abnormality in that in my family it was only “proper” Italian which was spoken, but in many cases the dialects were the first language for that generation of migrants and Italian was their second language. Contrary to popular belief the dialects aren’t offshoots of Italian, they’re all independent languages in their own right, one of the dialects was “chosen” as a national language but didn’t really start to properly get adopted until the second half of the 20th century, and even then it was only something used in formal settings. As I say, nowadays many of the dialects especially the more minor ones are dying out amongst the younger generation even in Italy itself. Mainly due to things like tv and then the internet making the national language more relevant/important over time. There are a few where they’re still strong in places like Sicily etc where they’re linked to a local pride/identity/parochialism but they’re the exception to the rule
 
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Glenardo said:
I’m probably an abnormality in that in my family it was only “proper” Italian which was spoken, but in many cases the dialects were the first language for that generation of migrants and Italian was their second language. Contrary to popular belief the dialects aren’t offshoots of Italian, they’re all independent languages in their own right, one of the dialects was “chosen” as a national language but didn’t really start to properly get adopted until the second half of the 20th century, and even then it was only something used in formal settings. As I say, nowadays many of the dialects especially the more minor ones are dying out amongst the younger generation even in Italy itself. There are a few where they’re still strong in places like Sicily etc where they’re linked to a local pride/identity/parochialism but they’re the exception to the rule
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The Italian part of my family is similar. The French part also only spoke French and not Basque, Breton, Catalan, Gallo, Occitan, etc.
 
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