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zimbos05 said:
I don't think the point can still stand if you think people are after mansions. A bit unfair to blame people buying for the actions of the developer. If a package is being offered, people go with whats offered. I think that points to how housing has become a commodity seen as a way to make money rather a human right. Developers offer packages that don't necessarily meet the requirement, but then people have to go with that option or have nothing.

Obviously can't compare what was available then with now. In saying that, even if people bought those houses back then, they were earning enough to do the renovations the way they want. Now, you buy a house - even a run down one - and you are basically going to struggle to do it up because of the extreme cost of housing, the stagnation of wages, the giveaway of our resources, and the selling out to corporate donors.

I know that last part simplifies it a bit, but it's an easy way to understand.
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Some good points - but all three of my kids have gone for the older ones or the smaller established ones. One is a tradie, and having a lot of tradie mates certainly helps.
 
tsf said:
You think everyne who has a different opinion than you is a communist so I think you're going to find this problem everywhere you go
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Well when the Left don't continually prove themselves to be far left bordering on communist scum then maybe I'll think differently.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Well when the Left don't continually prove themselves to be far left bordering on communist scum then maybe I'll think differently.
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The Australian Labor Party aren't communists....

They're a mix of a democratic socialist and social democratic party, not a communist one.
While both political ideologies historically stem from the broader labor and socialist movements of the 19th and 20th centuries, they have fundamental differences in their goals, methods, and beliefs....

In Australia, the ALP and communist groups (like the Communist Party of Australia, which existed throughout the 20th century) were often fierce political rivals. During the Cold War, the ALP actively distanced itself from communism, and the party actually split in the 1950s largely over internal debates on how to combat communist influence in trade unions.

In short, the ALP operates entirely within Australia's constitutional democracy and regulated market economy, whereas communism seeks a fundamentally different social and economic order.

It's frustrating when people use political labels inaccurately, especially in today's highly polarised climate.

A lot of this confusion comes from "political labeling inflation," where complex political philosophies get flattened into internet insults. In modern political discourse both in Australia and globally terms like "communist" or "socialist" are often thrown around by critics as catch-all buzzwords for any government intervention, regulation, or public spending.

When people don't look into the actual policies or history, it's easy for those labels to stick.

It's a reminder of how valuable political literacy is. When people understand the actual spectrum of political thought, it makes for much better, more productive conversations about what policies actually work for the country.....
 
Also trotting out the term "Stooge" can be somewhat annoying...

It definitely carries a specific kind of sting. In Australian politics, "stooge" isn't just an insult; it's a way of shutting down nuance. It implies that a person doesn't have an independent mind, can't think for themselves, and is just a mindless puppet blindly doing the party's bidding.

Most aren't " stooges"....They're reasonable and care about practical results rather than extreme politics. While online debates can be loud and full of insults, everyday people value fairness and focus on real life.
 
Football us life said:
Also trotting out the term "Stooge" can be somewhat annoying...

It definitely carries a specific kind of sting. In Australian politics, "stooge" isn't just an insult; it's a way of shutting down nuance. It implies that a person doesn't have an independent mind, can't think for themselves, and is just a mindless puppet blindly doing the party's bidding.

Most aren't " stooges"....They're reasonable and care about practical results rather than extreme politics. While online debates can be loud and full of insults, everyday people value fairness and focus on real life.
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Spare us the essay mate.

It's laughable you trot out the nuance rubbish when you're one of the biggest Labor stooges on this forum.

Bet you've never voted for the Liberals in your life.
 
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patjennings said:
I'm not pro-Labor - I'm pro middle Australia - what the Liberal party used to represent. Show me a Liberal Party like that. The party of McPhee, Viner, Holt, Gorton, Fraser, Chaney, Peacock, Hill even Amelia's grandfather Dick Hamar.
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To me the dawn of the demise of the Liberal Party as middle ground sensible conservatives started with Howard. Whilst for optics they kicked Hanson out of the Liberal Party at the time however he cynically adopted every single one of her shitty policies & made them his own & used them to consolidate power for so long. The Liberal Party as it stands now is unrecognisable as it what it should be. It mutated into a Sky News policy driven joke that has failed miserably at the polls as Australia will never go that far to the right as evinced at the last election when Mr.Potato ran the worst campaign I have ever seen & got smashed by middle of the road Australia for it.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Spare us the essay mate.

It's laughable you trot out the nuance rubbish when you're one of the biggest Labor stooges on this forum.

Bet you've never voted for the Liberals in your life.
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You got me there mate.....I've never voted for the Liberals in my life..

And there's a perfectly valid reason for that. I'm an Australian permanent resident and not a citizen so I cannot actually vote in an election. I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and have voted for the UK's Conservative Party a couple of times. But that was when Margaret Thatcher was around so a long time ago.....

I've also voted for Labour Party in the UK a couple of times too but you couldn't pay me to vote for them these days....
 
Football us life said:
You got me there mate.....I've never voted for the Liberals in my life..

And there's a perfectly valid reason for that. I'm an Australian permanent resident and not a citizen so I cannot actually vote in an election. I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and have voted for the UK's Conservative Party a couple of times. But that was when Margaret Thatcher was around so a long time ago.....

I've also voted for Labour Party in the UK a couple of times too but you couldn't pay me to vote for them these days....
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Is that whats called "Stooging the stooge"?
 
Football us life said:
You got me there mate.....I've never voted for the Liberals in my life..

And there's a perfectly valid reason for that. I'm an Australian permanent resident and not a citizen so I cannot actually vote in an election. I am a citizen of the United Kingdom and have voted for the UK's Conservative Party a couple of times. But that was when Margaret Thatcher was around so a long time ago.....

I've also voted for Labour Party in the UK a couple of times too but you couldn't pay me to vote for them these days....
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Voting for any right wing party is voting for extermination of the world as we know it.

Voting for left of right parties is voting for the same extermination. Why? Because I believe it is too late for the human species to enact real environmental policies.

We have either already crossed the point of no return, or, say we have got time, we don’t have the will to do anything about it.

Just ask the 99% of climatologists who study this phenomenon.
 
patjennings said:
Some good points - but all three of my kids have gone for the older ones or the smaller established ones. One is a tradie, and having a lot of tradie mates certainly helps.
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And sounds like they've done well. Being a tradie does help in terms of fixing up. In saying that, not everyone has that. I think the main crux here is that everyone just wants a place to live. The blame is not on the buyers per se more so as it is on the industry and policy.

I agree some people have silly standards, but that is probably a minority.
 
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