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grazorblade said:
I think its a fair point that patriotism appears to have gone down in gen z regardless of whether they are immigrants and it makes sense to say it has to do with progressives being suspicious of patriotism to put it mildly

Its definitely a change from a generation ago (most patriotic songs in australia and usa are left wing!)

Clearly patriotism can go wrong - whether something mild like minorities getting their loyalty qustioned or something big like invading poland....i guess we find out whether there are some big negatives of having an antipatriotic culture
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Id LOVE to hear some left wing patriotic songs..... cant think of any that fit the bill.
 
Dinamo said:
Nice! What are some of the Australianisms they are using?

Intermarriage is definitely a factor but a lot of people never learn the language in childhood because of how dominant English is and their family wants them to assimilate into Australia. It's a lot harder to do once you reach adulthood especially for non-Germanic languages if you're an English monoglot.

It's great that some are trying to recover their languages, but it's still unfortunately a small proportion. Census data definitely undercounts the amount of speakers due to intermarriage but the trend is clearly down. You would expect some language decline due to assimilation etc but some of the declines in Australia are truly incredible. Meanwhile in Europe you have groups that maintain their language for centuries post-migration, whereas in Australia they become monoglots within 3 generations.

I think anti-intellectualism to languages in Australia is also a big problem. There is a mindset that because English is lingua franca, why would you bother learning another language? Foreign language education in Australia is a bit of joke as well. In Australian schools they spend years learning foreign languages and they probably can't even reach B1 level. Plus in a lot of schools it's literally an optional subject.
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Fine points in both your posts... I will observe though that second generation migrant kids like myself quite often lost alot of the "mother tongue" not through lack of use but because of the fact that our, often monolingual parents where forced to assimilate their language to survive here.. We dont speak a pure Greek amongst ourselves, most of us call it Gringlish. Funnily its the language that most first generation migrants now speak, learning it to be able to talk to their Yugo, Italian and Maltese counterparts on the factory floor... Words like "fentsi", "chopia", "caro" and "semitza" are foreign bastardisations of English but we all grew up thinking it was Greek. Its not until the late 80s when migrant kids started flying back to the motherlands for holidays that an interest in where we came from and the language was rekindled.. I would say many 3rd generation Greek kids are more in tune with their Hellenism than many of my generation (who all grew up in the 70-80s having to fit in to anglo society)
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Fine points in both your posts... I will observe though that second generation migrant kids like myself quite often lost alot of the "mother tongue" not through lack of use but because of the fact that our, often monolingual parents where forced to assimilate their language to survive here.. We dont speak a pure Greek amongst ourselves, most of us call it Gringlish. Funnily its the language that most first generation migrants now speak, learning it to be able to talk to their Yugo, Italian and Maltese counterparts on the factory floor... Words like "fentsi", "chopia", "caro" and "semitza" are foreign bastardisations of English but we all grew up thinking it was Greek. Its not until the late 80s when migrant kids started flying back to the motherlands for holidays that an interest in where we came from and the language was rekindled.. I would say many 3rd generation Greek kids are more in tune with their Hellenism than many of my generation (who all grew up in the 70-80s having to fit in to anglo society)
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I remember being in Italian class in like second or third grade, and the teacher asked us all “who knows what the word for car is?” And I confidently shot my hand up and yelled out “Caro!”
 
JS96 said:
Guess I should be content in that my personal picks for the dual nationality battles were Circati, Irankunda and Robertson in that order and we got them all.

It's almost as if those who've opted elsewhere have started to plateau a lot.

Saw a funny tweet they'll not got more than 10 caps combined.
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If you recall, when Deni Juric was banging in goals for fun 5/ 6 yrs ago, he declared for Croatia & then only scored 3 goals in the next 4 yrs!! Luckily for him, he's starting to score a few at exactly the right time & when we're looking for a number 9 to replace Mitch Duke.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Not even CLOSE to being patriotic. Anti fascist certainly, socialist definitely but Nationalistic feeling about Italy just are NOT there...
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Slight disagree. Sung from trying to save their country from occupation, injustice and oppresion from foreign invaders, and installed pride in the movement to win back their country

That's pretty patriotic
 
tsf said:
Slight disagree. Sung from trying to save their country from occupation, injustice and oppresion from foreign invaders, and installed pride in the movement to win back their country

That's pretty patriotic
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I know mate, anti fascist, anti german but more important anti Italian fascist - just like the Greek EAM ELAS songs were.. it was all about the international brotherhood of man and a better tomorrow for all people.... Patriotism, like Grazor means it is
"God save the King" and "God bless America" and songs like that... definitely NOT what the red brigades sang :)
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Fine points in both your posts... I will observe though that second generation migrant kids like myself quite often lost alot of the "mother tongue" not through lack of use but because of the fact that our, often monolingual parents where forced to assimilate their language to survive here.. We dont speak a pure Greek amongst ourselves, most of us call it Gringlish. Funnily its the language that most first generation migrants now speak, learning it to be able to talk to their Yugo, Italian and Maltese counterparts on the factory floor... Words like "fentsi", "chopia", "caro" and "semitza" are foreign bastardisations of English but we all grew up thinking it was Greek. Its not until the late 80s when migrant kids started flying back to the motherlands for holidays that an interest in where we came from and the language was rekindled.. I would say many 3rd generation Greek kids are more in tune with their Hellenism than many of my generation (who all grew up in the 70-80s having to fit in to anglo society)
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Yep I think all the post WW2 migrants have some versions of this. They effectively created a subculture by fusing their mother tongues with Australian English.

Interestingly, given how dominant English is this has also happened to a degree back in Europe. In Croatia they have taken a lot of English words and Croatianized them even though they have preexisting words. For example, frend/frendica (friend), lajkati (to like), šopovati (to shop), subskrajbati (to subscribe). I saw someone use the verb krindžati (to cringe) the other day and it cracked me up : D
 
Dinamo said:
Yep I think all the post WW2 migrants have some versions of this. They effectively created a subculture by fusing their mother tongues with Australian English.

Interestingly, given how dominant English is this has also happened to a degree back in Europe. In Croatia they have taken a lot of English words and Croatianized them even though they have preexisting words. For example, frend/frendica (friend), lajkati (to like), šopovati (to shop), subskrajbati (to subscribe). I saw someone use the verb krindžati (to cringe) the other day and it cracked me up : D
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Greeks are exactly the same back home.. You hear it on the news and in TV shows, movies...
 
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