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HonestSpursFan said:
Iā€™m fine with them playing for youth teams but if he turns out to be a baller and could make the Socceroos squad then we canā€™t let Wales take him.

I hope the people switching, regardless of the nation, actually speak their language well. Iā€™m of the opinion that we should learn a second language at school since everyone else around the world learns English (as itā€™s the global language) and sometimes also another language (e.g most Dutch are trilingual in Dutch first, English second and usually German third; almost all Dutch people speak the first two). However, I would emphasise that even more if youā€™re gonna play for that country. Language loss sucks too. So I hope Laura Hughes, Joe Lacey and anyone else who wants to play for Wales actually learn Welsh.
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Good point. Loss of heritage language is a big problem in a lot of diasporas in Australia. Language maintenance rates among 3rd generation are very low, especially compared to the same diaspora in other Western countries such as Germany. A lot of these guys that switch countries are nowhere near fluency.

Interesting that the Greeks in Australia are doing a much better job than most at preserving their language. I'm guessing the church is a factor and they do seem to have better infrastructure (Greek language schools) than other groups. Contrast this to Italian which I believe is the fastest declining language in Australia.
 
Dinamo said:
Good point. Loss of heritage language is a big problem in a lot of diasporas in Australia. Language maintenance rates among 3rd generation are very low, especially compared to the same diaspora in other Western countries such as Germany. A lot of these guys that switch countries are nowhere near fluency.

Interesting that the Greeks in Australia are doing a much better job than most at preserving their language. I'm guessing the church is a factor and they do seem to have better infrastructure (Greek language schools) than other groups. Contrast this to Italian which I believe is the fastest declining language in Australia.
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Based on their social media accounts they still speak their language but speak English like any other Aussie. I speak French and Italian, more French since my whole dadā€™s side is French whereas my mum is half-English and half-Italian. However, the French I speak is virtually just New Caledonian French (which includes a bunch of Australianisms) not the French that MĆ©tros like my family speak.

What seems to cause language loss is intermarriage and families not adequately teaching their kids their language and thus it wanes over time. Italian Americans are an older group than Italian Australians so language loss was even worse over there. Asian/Pacific Islander languages are thriving while European ones are struggling due to the greater cultural emphasis on language in Asia and the Pacific.

Italian is indeed by far the fastest declining language in Australia, dropping by a whopping ā€“43,556 from the 2016 to 2021 censuses. Greek does better but is still declining too, same goes for Croatian and Maltese. Serbian is interestingly thriving though and actually increasing. I think European families are starting to recover it a bit but as a second language. Since the Australian census unfortunately only asks about oneā€™s language spoken at home (usually oneā€™s first language), we donā€™t actually know how many people have learnt other languages.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Based on their social media accounts they still speak their language but speak English like any other Aussie. I speak French and Italian, more French since my whole dadā€™s side is French whereas my mum is half-English and half-Italian. However, the French I speak is virtually just New Caledonian French (which includes a bunch of Australianisms) not the French that MĆ©tros like my family speak.

What seems to cause language loss is intermarriage and families not adequately teaching their kids their language and thus it wanes over time. Italian Americans are an older group than Italian Australians so language loss was even worse over there. Asian/Pacific Islander languages are thriving while European ones are struggling due to the greater cultural emphasis on language in Asia and the Pacific.

Italian is indeed by far the fastest declining language in Australia, dropping by a whopping ā€“43,556 from the 2016 to 2021 censuses. Greek does better but is still declining too, same goes for Croatian and Maltese. Serbian is interestingly thriving though and actually increasing. I think European families are starting to recover it a bit but as a second language. Since the Australian census unfortunately only asks about oneā€™s language spoken at home (usually oneā€™s first language), we donā€™t actually know how many people have learnt other languages.
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Nice! What are some of the Australianisms they are using?

Intermarriage is definitely a factor but a lot of people never learn the language in childhood because of how dominant English is and their family wants them to assimilate into Australia. It's a lot harder to do once you reach adulthood especially for non-Germanic languages if you're an English monoglot.

It's great that some are trying to recover their languages, but it's still unfortunately a small proportion. Census data definitely undercounts the amount of speakers due to intermarriage but the trend is clearly down. You would expect some language decline due to assimilation etc but some of the declines in Australia are truly incredible. Meanwhile in Europe you have groups that maintain their language for centuries post-migration, whereas in Australia they become monoglots within 3 generations.

I think anti-intellectualism to languages in Australia is also a big problem. There is a mindset that because English is lingua franca, why would you bother learning another language? Foreign language education in Australia is a bit of joke as well. In Australian schools they spend years learning foreign languages and they probably can't even reach B1 level. Plus in a lot of schools it's literally an optional subject.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Iā€™m fine with them playing for youth teams but if he turns out to be a baller and could make the Socceroos squad then we canā€™t let Wales take him.

I hope the people switching, regardless of the nation, actually speak their language well. Iā€™m of the opinion that we should learn a second language at school since everyone else around the world learns English (as itā€™s the global language) and sometimes also another language (e.g most Dutch are trilingual in Dutch first, English second and usually German third; almost all Dutch people speak the first two). However, I would emphasise that even more if youā€™re gonna play for that country. Language loss sucks too. So I hope Laura Hughes, Joe Lacey and anyone else who wants to play for Wales actually learn Welsh.
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He's an excellent player
 
Beretta said:
The best article was the revenge one regarding Australia taking Ante Suto off croatia lol.

TBH, I dont think Croatia care about either of them.
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I figure the Croatia diaspora of football players has enough depth for the first team management and Croatian FA admins not to be too worried about a couple of mid level players at mid levels clubs.

Australia however should nurture and man manage anyone they can, sometimes you get them and sometimes you don't, there is enough fault on all sides here.
 
Somebloke said:
seems like there is not much movement on the Volpato front.

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Why does he genuinely think Italy wants to cap him? Why does he genuinely think Italians would care if he switched? If he has kids they wonā€™t even be eligible to play for Italy unless theyā€™re born in Italy.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Why does he genuinely think Italy wants to cap him? Why does he genuinely think Italians would care if he switched? If he has kids they wonā€™t even be eligible to play for Italy unless theyā€™re born in Italy.
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When you read other interviews he has done, his dream is to play for Italy. It isn't about how likely it is, this is what he is aiming for.
 
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