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The Australian National Football Team General Discussion*OFFICIAL*

grazorblade said:
Games against 2nd tier middle eastern teams might finally be watchable
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I like speeding it up, I've been wanting it for years! 5 seconds might be a too quick though haha, that's quite a rush, but the players will milk it anyway and nothing will happen after the initial crackdown.

Getting off the pitch for a sub or injury is excellent. We want to see more football being played, not drying balls and sitting down for pickle juice.

I don't like VAR corners, it's just not a problem in the game worth fixing. But why aren't there countdowns for corners??? They've deliberately excluded it. Probably the biggest thing missing. Make it 10 seconds.
 
HappyGuus said:
I like speeding it up, I've been wanting it for years! 5 seconds might be a too quick though haha, that's quite a rush, but the players will milk it anyway and nothing will happen after the initial crackdown.

Getting off the pitch for a sub or injury is excellent. We want to see more football being played, not drying balls and sitting down for pickle juice.

I don't like VAR corners, it's just not a problem in the game worth fixing. But why aren't there countdowns for corners??? They've deliberately excluded it. Probably the biggest thing missing. Make it 10 seconds.
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We would have gotten an extra corner v uruguay, could have made all the difference
 
HappyGuus said:
I like speeding it up, I've been wanting it for years! 5 seconds might be a too quick though haha, that's quite a rush, but the players will milk it anyway and nothing will happen after the initial crackdown.

Getting off the pitch for a sub or injury is excellent. We want to see more football being played, not drying balls and sitting down for pickle juice.

I don't like VAR corners, it's just not a problem in the game worth fixing. But why aren't there countdowns for corners??? They've deliberately excluded it. Probably the biggest thing missing. Make it 10 seconds.
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As a fan that's been a referee - I can't stand VAR.
Mostly because, it's been applied at the top leagues and levels to look at everything, rather than just be used as getting absolute blunders correct (at least that's what it seems).

Obviously, having only refereed at the level I have, I have never been in the VAR box to see it in action - but I don't think the VAR should look at every goal for something minor to chalk it out/accept it. Essentially, the head referee should be making the decision, and then IF the VAR was to be watching that in real time and just say to themselves "oh hang on, that looked a bit suss", then it's fine. If.. that makes any sense.
 
NicCarBel said:
As a fan that's been a referee - I can't stand VAR.
Mostly because, it's been applied at the top leagues and levels to look at everything, rather than just be used as getting absolute blunders correct (at least that's what it seems).

Obviously, having only refereed at the level I have, I have never been in the VAR box to see it in action - but I don't think the VAR should look at every goal for something minor to chalk it out/accept it. Essentially, the head referee should be making the decision, and then IF the VAR was to be watching that in real time and just say to themselves "oh hang on, that looked a bit suss", then it's fine. If.. that makes any sense.
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I agree we need to lose the microscope. Loosening of some laws will also help. These minuscule offsides and handballs wouldn't have been seen in the past. I get Leeds technically had defensive advantage form nudging the ball with the hand last night but it was unintentional in a hectic moment.

Broadcasters and pundits have a lot to answer for. They created headlines about injustice and the culture changed leading to the ruling body to seek out VAR. You've got the irony of Championship fans screaming injustice while also lambasting VAR. Make up your minds.
 
JS96 said:
I agree we need to lose the microscope. Loosening of some laws will also help. These minuscule offsides and handballs wouldn't have been seen in the past. I get Leeds technically had defensive advantage form nudging the ball with the hand last night but it was unintentional in a hectic moment.

Broadcasters and pundits have a lot to answer for. They created headlines about injustice and the culture changed leading to the ruling body to seek out VAR. You've got the irony of Championship fans screaming injustice while also lambasting VAR. Make up your minds.
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While broadcasters and pundits whinging about refs are a problem, this runs right through every single person involved in football in any capacity. Fans, players, coaches, whoever.

Humans are completely unable to accept sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. Sometimes the ref sees it 'correctly', sometimes they don't. It is impossible to perfect/solve. VAR just shifts this aspect from the on field ref to somewhere else. The controversy is the same, the constant whinging about decisions is the same, AND we get stuck with VAR.

So we end up with an objectively far worse match experience, with the same unsolvable problem around luck with decisions.

VAR is God's punishment for every time we whinge about a decision, or bitch about the 'standard of refereeing'. The whinging is why it exists.
 
Cunningstunt said:
While broadcasters and pundits whinging about refs are a problem, this runs right through every single person involved in football in any capacity. Fans, players, coaches, whoever.

Humans are completely unable to accept sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. Sometimes the ref sees it 'correctly', sometimes they don't. It is impossible to perfect/solve. VAR just shifts this aspect from the on field ref to somewhere else. The controversy is the same, the constant whinging about decisions is the same, AND we get stuck with VAR.

So we end up with an objectively far worse match experience, with the same unsolvable problem around luck with decisions.

VAR is God's punishment for every time we whinge about a decision, or bitch about the 'standard of refereeing'. The whinging is why it exists.
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I remember in the 90's when replays started 'let's see that again'. How about just one replay from the same angle and be done with it?

While numerous angles can be interesting it just makes people look for more things.

The worst is when the replay pauses when there's a through ball to show the line of offside. If the officials saw it onside live then let's keep playing. The close ones aren't criminal in my opinion and the assistants get most blatant ones with ease.
 
Cunningstunt said:
While broadcasters and pundits whinging about refs are a problem, this runs right through every single person involved in football in any capacity. Fans, players, coaches, whoever.

Humans are completely unable to accept sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. Sometimes the ref sees it 'correctly', sometimes they don't. It is impossible to perfect/solve. VAR just shifts this aspect from the on field ref to somewhere else. The controversy is the same, the constant whinging about decisions is the same, AND we get stuck with VAR.

So we end up with an objectively far worse match experience, with the same unsolvable problem around luck with decisions.

VAR is God's punishment for every time we whinge about a decision, or bitch about the 'standard of refereeing'. The whinging is why it exists.
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I wonder how it affects the development and quality of refs. When there's a safety blanket do you strive to be as good?
 
JS96 said:
I agree we need to lose the microscope. Loosening of some laws will also help. These minuscule offsides and handballs wouldn't have been seen in the past. I get Leeds technically had defensive advantage form nudging the ball with the hand last night but it was unintentional in a hectic moment.

Broadcasters and pundits have a lot to answer for. They created headlines about injustice and the culture changed leading to the ruling body to seek out VAR. You've got the irony of Championship fans screaming injustice while also lambasting VAR. Make up your minds.
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Not just broadcasters and pundits in my opinion, its the gambling industry that demanded clarity.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Not just broadcasters and pundits in my opinion, its the gambling industry that demanded clarity.
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Oh wow that's something really overlooked. To think there is evidence where a rule should have been enforced with money riding on it will get people asking questions.

I suppose the bet deal is what happens at full time rather than decisions affecting the result but I see what you mean.
 
JS96 said:
Oh wow that's something really overlooked. To think there is evidence where a rule should have been enforced with money riding on it will get people asking questions.

I suppose the bet deal is what happens at full time rather than decisions affecting the result but I see what you mean.
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I feel like the next "target" is going to be time manipulation... not necessarily for ONLY gambling outcomes but also for the commercialisation of broadcast.... Ever since the Yanks and the Saudis turned their evil gaze on the world game it is eroding step by step.. yes Im an angry old man yelling at clouds.... but I dont think I am 100% wrong.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I feel like the next "target" is going to be time manipulation... not necessarily for ONLY gambling outcomes but also for the commercialisation of broadcast.... Ever since the Yanks and the Saudis turned their evil gaze on the world game it is eroding step by step.. yes Im an angry old man yelling at clouds.... but I dont think I am 100% wrong.
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After 20 years of watching the roos in Asia, if Fifa cracks down on time wasting I'm not sure I credit the saudis
 
JS96 said:


Fresh upload
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Chills

Football felt so small I had watched this in my bedroom on my tiny little CRT, until my Zia caught wift that I was getting into football and invited me over for all the rest of the Azzurri and Socceroos games because they bought a new big flat screen HD tv and she gets into the world cup because my older cousin that passed away young used to love getting up for Italia 90, France 98, etc.
 
NicCarBel said:
Chills

Football felt so small I had watched this in my bedroom on my tiny little CRT, until my Zia caught wift that I was getting into football and invited me over for all the rest of the Azzurri and Socceroos games because they bought a new big flat screen HD tv and she gets into the world cup because my older cousin that passed away young used to love getting up for Italia 90, France 98, etc.
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I watched this in my shared house at Uni. What a night. Everyone went ballistic. I didn't have a voice the next day.
 
Such a surreal night. After we levelled I ran to my parent's room to wake them. Just as I did when Sherringham scored in the 99 UCL final, I saw Cahill's second goal like Solksjaer's winner in the same circumstances in their room on the same little TV. Decent 34cm for the time to be fair.

Was so hyped that school was secondary and watched Czech Republic and USA right after.

There is some YouTube hobby video of a person walking around Kaiserslautern that morning and they went up the stadium way before where Japan fans were already sitting with their banners.
 
NicCarBel said:
Chills

Football felt so small I had watched this in my bedroom on my tiny little CRT, until my Zia caught wift that I was getting into football and invited me over for all the rest of the Azzurri and Socceroos games because they bought a new big flat screen HD tv and she gets into the world cup because my older cousin that passed away young used to love getting up for Italia 90, France 98, etc.
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Watched next to a Japanese girl in the common room of my dorm at griffith uni

I managed to be gracious :D
 
What I like is this WC feed had better stadium audio. The Simon Hill one has his microphone turned up that bit more. Do all stations get the exact same audio feed or are there certain pitch side microphones one might not hear? You can hear so much more with this feed. Is it simply down to the respective broadcaster turning the mics up or down?

Just listening to the crowd ebbs and flows with the moments sound great.
 
Love Cahill's second goal how Kewell is gesturing he's available then his hand goes up like 'oh you got it'. I still recall thinking Bresciano should have passed it through to Emerton against Croatia for the Kewell goal. I screamed for the through ball but then all quickly the decision panned out.
 
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