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Muz said:
He wouldn't understand.
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Its the trouble with the 24/7 tick tock news cycle... views are polarised and nuance is lost... Dont let it get under your skin, I can tell you are getting shirty..

Fact is Khomeini was a differnt type of evil to what the Shah was.. some Iranian people (msot in Aus and diaspora I would presume) are happy today others are in mourning... I am for the side of freedom from religious oppression so Im happy for them... I am fearful that this will lead to more bloodshed though... buckle up people.
 
Sharkman84 said:
I wasn't talking about Iran, that is a given with the sectarian divides in the Middle East.

I was referring to here in Australia.
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Even here.... everyone has the right to an opinion, just because you or I say it is wrong, doesn't mean these people can't mourn, who they think there spiritual leader is... If they incite violence then deport the fuckers I agree but you cant stop people fro believing what they want to... Would you kick Catholics out for mourning the death of the Pope?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Even here.... everyone has the right to an opinion, just because you or I say it is wrong, doesn't mean these people can't mourn, who they think there spiritual leader is... If they incite violence then deport the fuckers I agree but you cant stop people fro believing what they want to... Would you kick Catholics out for mourning the death of the Pope?
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The last bit is a nonsensical strawman argument so won't dignify it with a response.

As for the rest, Khameini was literally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of his own people and was considered a terrorist by 99% of the Western world.

Anyone who mourns an individual like Khameini in this country is clearly hostile to Western society and should forfeit their right to live in this country.
 
Sharkman84 said:
The last bit is a nonsensical strawman argument so won't dignify it with a response.

As for the rest, Khameini was literally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of his own people and was considered a terrorist by 99% of the Western world.

Anyone who mourns an individual like Khameini in this country is clearly hostile to Western society and should forfeit their right to live in this country.
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"Western Society" right .... gottcha Good luck with your pogrom, hope you dont get hurt....
 
Seriously though, has any goal of this be stated by the US?

I am skeptical it's 'regime change', as they'd need to have a functioning government already organised to lead, and/or a new constitution written.

It would also take a lot of intervention and resources to effectively implement.
 
tsf said:
Seriously though, has any goal of this be stated by the US?

I am skeptical it's 'regime change', as they'd need to have a functioning government already organised to lead, and/or a new constitution written.

It would also take a lot of intervention and resources to effectively implement.
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I don't think that's been communicated. Just the vague "there's an imminent threat" that wasn't further defined. Because it probably didn't exist.
 
Quicky said:
I don't think that's been communicated. Just the vague "there's an imminent threat" that wasn't further defined. Because it probably didn't exist.
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They've aparently been two weeks away from a nuclear bomb for 30 years

Yeah they suck and are pieces of shit, but what threat are they to USA? There's something like 90 US military bases surrounding them
 
tsf said:
They've aparently been two weeks away from a nuclear bomb for 30 years

Yeah they suck and are pieces of shit, but what threat are they to USA? There's something like 90 US military bases surrounding them
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I mean I think we know by threat to USA they mean threat to Israel. Best they can do is bomb some targets and make the strait of Hormuz dangerous. It's a helpful distraction for someone though.
 
theconversation.com

Failure of US-Iran talks was all too predictable — but turning to military strikes creates dangerous unknowns

Silence from the US side after a third round of indirect talks and frustration expressed by President Donald Trump set the stage for military strikes.
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Yet most Iranians want their leadership gone and something new. For that to happen, foreign intervention was probably always the only way. The people wouldn't be able to overthrow the Mullahs.

A year of diplomacy led to nothing and Iran taunted and played games. That combined with recent protests shows it's time for change. Notice how there is very little condemnation of these strikes. Even the Gulf states being hit aren't shouted 'you idiots' to those running it.
 
JS96 said:
theconversation.com

Failure of US-Iran talks was all too predictable — but turning to military strikes creates dangerous unknowns

Silence from the US side after a third round of indirect talks and frustration expressed by President Donald Trump set the stage for military strikes.
theconversation.com theconversation.com

Yet most Iranians want their leadership gone and something new. For that to happen, foreign intervention was probably always the only way. The people wouldn't be able to overthrow the Mullahs.

A year of diplomacy led to nothing and Iran taunted and played games. That combined with recent protests shows it's time for change. Notice how there is very little condemnation of these strikes. Even the Gulf states being hit aren't shouted 'you idiots' to those running it.
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No. For that to happen you need a plan.

Not just bomb someone.

Unless they are hiding some well thought out plan to get the country on its feet following this, with a vision and timeline for the next few years then we can question if change is objective
 
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zimbos05 said:
Ah, the western world. The bastions of moral civility and democratic guidance. The bringers of peace and stability.

If the western world says it, it must be true.
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Bombing for peace!

What USA has only been at war….for what,.. something like 90% of its existence.
 
tsf said:
No. For that to happen you need a plan.

Not just bomb someone.

Unless the are hiding some well thought out plan to get the country on its feet following this, with a vision and timeline for the next few years then we can question if change is objective
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There has always been plenty going on in the background. Whether it be opponents within the country or those exiled. In the end a lot of things happen without planning and then the benefit of hindsight is used to assess it.
 
zimbos05 said:
Ah, the western world. The bastions of moral civility and democratic guidance. The bringers of peace and stability.

If the western world says it, it must be true.
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I don't think this is a western only aspect.

Only a few despots around the world have supported the Iranian regime. Like Venezuela there are disaporas around the world saying this is a chance to free themselves from those leaders. Those in Iran are celebrating this too and had been calling for outside help. Other Gulf states are fed up too.

Diplomacy has been tried and laughed off and while we may not think bombing is the way, there are very few options remaining
 
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