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NicCarBel said:
I'm going to reply rather than edit, as I don't want to lose the post:
  • MANUKA OVAL SPORTS - (INCLUDING PROPOSED CANBERRA BBL SIDE)
  • $390,000 p/c
    • AFL - $2.85m per year for 5 pieces of content = $570,000 p/c
    • BBL - $3m per year for, let's be generous and assume all women's games at Manuka Oval as well, 10 pieces of content = $300,000 p/c
  • GIO STADIUM SPORTS - (INCLUDING PROPOSED A-LEAGUE MENS SIDE)
  • $118,980 p/c
    • A-League - $1.45m per year for 23 pieces of content = $63,043 p/c
    • NRL - $2.6m per year for 16 pieces of content = $162,500 p/c
    • Super Rugby - $1.78m per year 10 pieces of content = $178,000 p/c
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  • MANUKA OVAL SPORTS - AS CURRENT
  • $570,000 p/c
    • AFL - $2.85m per year for 5 pieces of content = $570,000 p/c
    • BBL - unknown for 2 pieces of content per year
  • GIO STADIUM SPORTS - AS CURRENT
  • $125,135 p/c
    • A-League - $250,000 per year for 11 pieces of content = $27,727 p/c
    • NRL - $2.6m per year for 16 pieces of content = $162,500 p/c
    • Super Rugby - $1.78m per year 10 pieces of content = $178,000 p/c
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oh yeah was right here
 
someguyjc said:
To look at it a different way, APL price tag still too high.
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Probably a little of that, and a little of potential investors being scared off due to the last time Canberra was mooted for the A Liga (they were shopped around by - I can't remember if it was still FA then, or APL - to invest in Sydney of Melbourne bids instead), and the fact that the ACT Government won't invest in a stadium upgrade for ACT Brumbies and Canberra Raiders (and said potential A-League bid) as well..

Together, that's probably the 3 main factors
 
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someguyjc said:
To look at it a different way, APL price tag still too high.
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This is controversial for some, but for me, if there was a promotion pathway to the A-League, a national second division is the perfect breeding ground for areas like Canberra that don't have the population or commercial interest to justify the risk to pay the license fee and fund the $8-10m annual expenditure required to participate, without tipping their toes in the water first.
 
Stu said:
This is controversial for some, but for me, if there was a promotion pathway to the A-League, a national second division is the perfect breeding ground for areas like Canberra that don't have the population or commercial interest to justify the risk to pay the license fee and fund the $8-10m annual expenditure required to participate, without tipping their toes in the water first.
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IF ONLY!!
 
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Stu said:
This is controversial for some, but for me, if there was a promotion pathway to the A-League, a national second division is the perfect breeding ground for areas like Canberra that don't have the population or commercial interest to justify the risk to pay the license fee and fund the $8-10m annual expenditure required to participate, without tipping their toes in the water first.
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And in that case - why create a new franchise? Just promote from the existing Canberra clubs. As long as they aren’t based in Gungahlin, of course.
 
NicCarBel said:
And in that case - why create a new franchise? Just promote from the existing Canberra clubs. As long as they aren’t based in Gungahlin, of course.
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100% - I'd say the only time to allow a franchise/new club is if it has the full support of the football association(s) because no one existing club has the ambition or resources to sustain a club at a national level.

Being from a regional area, I know there can be issues where an existing club is promoted into a higher level competition, but doesn't get support from fans of other local clubs due to existing rivalries. This may not be an issue in Canberra, but would be for smaller regions.
 
all good sound common sense posts fellas re Canberra.
Many of us have gone on about this before - start slow and at Championship/NPL level NOT straight to the expensive top and have another debacle - it doesn't just effect the APL but the whole game in the press and Canberran's.
Doesn't make sense !
IMO this is where the FA step in and take control for the game in the first place and say - sorry APL this is NOT approved its under our watch we are working on local NPL Clubs who's gonna stand up and join the Championship.
Done.
 
Stu said:
100% - I'd say the only time to allow a franchise/new club is if it has the full support of the football association(s) because no one existing club has the ambition or resources to sustain a club at a national level.

Being from a regional area, I know there can be issues where an existing club is promoted into a higher level competition, but doesn't get support from fans of other local clubs due to existing rivalries. This may not be an issue in Canberra, but would be for smaller regions.
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I mean.. you don't have to go much farther than Canberra for how smaller regions are looked at - despite being the smallest member federation with an NPL (by virtue of total club count across the federation), they recently removed the two regions they welcomed in at the beginning of their member-federation backed A-League Men's bid as a way to widen the footprint and say "Wow, look at all these areas we service" (because lets not forget, they run the Women's team) were removed effectively solely for being a smaller region on their own. So, I think it will be much of the same as you mentioned.
 
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erogenouszone said:
Look at Macarthur FC, they had zero support from the local football association because they ostracised them. See how well supported locally they've always been. Pathetic effort in that regard.
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If you don't have the backing of the local clubs, a new franchise is always going to really struggle to get people in the gate day one. Local people playing in the region (or associated with clubs e.g., parents) are the low hanging fruit a new franchise should be getting on board from day one. But as you say, it's the ignorant idea that enough money will solve any problem, and you end up with the situation you describe.

With Canberra, if Canberra Croatia or another NPL club wants to have a crack at a national second division in an ongoing H&A capacity, let them and see how the chips fall. If they can get enough support from the broader Canberra football community, fantastic. If not, then if the opportunity for a new club/franchise to enter the NSD the people behind it will/should know they need broad support from the local association(s) for it to be successful.

I'm from Gippsland and there was good cut through for the Morwell Falcons when they joined the NSL, despite being a rival club for a lot of people. I think that was driven by local pride and wanting to support the only national sporting team to ever represent the region (properly... none of this South-East Melbourne encompassing Gippsland crap :LOL: ). But I'm sure if a team were to ever represent the region again in a national competition, it would need to have the full support and cooperation of the local clubs and leagues behind it, for it to have a chance of being sustainable long term. I can't see how larger regions are too different at a fundamental level.
 
LFC said:
all good sound common sense posts fellas re Canberra.
Many of us have gone on about this before - start slow and at Championship/NPL level NOT straight to the expensive top and have another debacle - it doesn't just effect the APL but the whole game in the press and Canberran's.
Doesn't make sense !
IMO this is where the FA step in and take control for the game in the first place and say - sorry APL this is NOT approved its under our watch we are working on local NPL Clubs who's gonna stand up and join the Championship.
Done.
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I will probably bang on about the JFA and the J-League structure a lot (forgive me if I do), but the reason they started the J2 league was to give semi-professional teams a more attainable level to step up to. Without that, a range of clubs would likely never have joined the J-League structure, or taken 10-20 years before they did because the financial risk was too high. It's now 27 years since J2 was formed with just 10 clubs (16 in J1), and Japan has 60 professional clubs across the three leagues. I'm not saying we could do the same, but if the JFA had taken a closed shop approach, I'm certain it wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful.
 
NicCarBel said:
Back then there was - this was when the foreign investor plus ACT Gov stumped up the money, but Foxtel said they only wanted Melbourne and Sydney.
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I am confident that this was not the case. At no point has Canberra been able to fund an A League "franchise". They have been close, but never quite there.
 
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