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A-League Mens 25/26 - Round 16

dr. bellows said:
Agree about Klein. Also, I'm pretty meh about Vrakas.
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I was impressed by Vrakas ' speed and impact on games early on - but he comes across now as just desperate rather than competitive and composed. Lost his way.
 
RIMB said:
Neither side gained an advantage over the other by that but it brought the game down to a level it should not get to. And tonight that was on the ref not stamping it out early enough. It happens.
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Haha. I love to see a physical match. It should be a physical battle.

If someone is stronger and they get the better of someone 'play onnnnnn'.

I know what you'll say next, 'but not if they're fouling the other players'. Sure but there's a lot of bending of the laws going on all over the field and that's OK by me. I mean just look at what goes on at corners, you could blow a penalty ever single time.

You'd hate watching me ref. I'm one of those 'let the game flow' blokes. Can't stand refs that blow the whistle like they're reffing netball or basketball.
 
RIMB said:
I think the first half against Adelaide was the aberation unfortunately.

6 losses and 1 win out of the last 7 games paints a very clear picture when the results genuinely reflect our consistent and persistent decline.

Injuries and the loss of Herrington have hurt us badly with the spine of the team gone (Herrington/Stajic/O'Shea) - but it does not explain how the rest of the team has lost the ability, and at times motivation, to play positive, team football.

Our individual parts are actually greater than our whole at the moment - which is failure in a team sport.
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Unfortunately, the evidence of my eyes suggest you are correct. I continue to live in hope.
 
Muz said:
Haha. I love to see a physical match. It should be a physical battle.

If someone is stronger and they get the better of someone 'play onnnnnn'.

I know what you'll say next, 'but not if they're fouling the other players'. Sure but there's a lot of bending of the laws going on all over the field and that's OK by me. I mean just look at what goes on at corners, you could blow a penalty ever single time.

You'd hate watching me ref. I'm one of those 'let the game flow' blokes. Can't stand refs that blow the whistle like they're reffing netball or basketball.
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I am all for a good physical battle - it is when the professional fouls or hacks are not called then nasty comes in.

A yellow card up front and players stop doing it or only do it when they have to stop an attack. That is how football should be in my eyes. Not stop/start because after a card or two players know they can't do it and the game can flow. But we need the traffic lights to get the flow working.

Tonight was not all about the football - it got down to players injuring each other because they all wanted to balance the ledger. It is the balance of controlling and letting run that occasionally is done poorly and you know the game is over officiated or let go too far. Somewhere in between for me and that allows for a lot of wiggle room.
 
I girded my loins and watched Valkanis' post match interview.

It didn't bother me that much.

He spent a long time making his point about being told to sit down and stop asking questions - saying just that to the journos asking questions then and asking them how it made them feel.

Not all that far out there in my books.

The problem with Roar's coaching staff is we think we have the right to question and not accept the answer given. We are effectively asking, then demanding the ref changes his mind ignoring his own vision and judgement and applying our own.

It escalates to a lack of respect by us immediately with coaching staff stepping outside the box constantly and in rotation to harass officials. I can understand Valkanis' perception about the team being prejudged - but we started the lack of respect and we continue with the harassment.

In Valkanis' head I bet my house he thought he was asking the ref respectfully about the reason for his yellow card. I am absolutely certain he would have come across as aggressive and belligerent and earned the send off after the game.

Not all that cringeworthy to me - a frustrated coach who genuinely believes we are being treated differently to other clubs. I can understand where he is coming from and I agree at least about prejudging the team based on pre-season. When we get a public reputation for rough play every incident is confirmation of that and other players doing the same thing are just players making bad decisions as individuals.

Not crying about it - but I can understand Valkanis' frustration when I put his shoes on.

He needs to make the change in himself and guide the team along the same path before anything will change though.
 
RIMB said:
I girded my loins and watched Valkanis' post match interview.

It didn't bother me that much.

He spent a long time making his point about being told to sit down and stop asking questions - saying just that to the journos asking questions then and asking them how it made them feel.

Not all that far out there in my books.

The problem with Roar's coaching staff is we think we have the right to question and not accept the answer given. We are effectively asking, then demanding the ref changes his mind ignoring his own vision and judgement and applying our own.

It escalates to a lack of respect by us immediately with coaching staff stepping outside the box constantly and in rotation to harass officials. I can understand Valkanis' perception about the team being prejudged - but we started the lack of respect and we continue with the harassment.

In Valkanis' head I bet my house he thought he was asking the ref respectfully about the reason for his yellow card. I am absolutely certain he would have come across as aggressive and belligerent and earned the send off after the game.

Not all that cringeworthy to me - a frustrated coach who genuinely believes we are being treated differently to other clubs. I can understand where he is coming from and I agree at least about prejudging the team based on pre-season. When we get a public reputation for rough play every incident is confirmation of that and other players doing the same thing are just players making bad decisions as individuals.

Not crying about it - but I can understand Valkanis' frustration when I put his shoes on.

He needs to make the change in himself and guide the team along the same path before anything will change though.
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I've still only seen the clip above but wasn't as bad as I feared. He's never going to be recommended for a diplomatic posting but that's okay. He's reacting like a man under severe pressure, though. It should be remembered that this is not his first managerial gig. He had a stint in Turkey where he didn't last long. One failure someone will probably give you another chance. Two failures without any real successes to point to can be career threatening (in terms of preferred career). So he possibly sees this run of poor form not just about each game, or even just about the season, but potentially a threat to his career as a head coach/manager. He doesn't have the name of, say, Kewell that might gift him a few more chances. So it's difficult, albeit not impossible, to see where he would pick up another head coach position if he is sacked at season's end. Maybe Asia, Singapore, Malaysia.

He complains about officials dismissing him but he hasn't helped with his rather aggressive behaviour this season. I mean, what does he expect? It shouldn't be a surprise that they're not keen to engage with him, as unprofessional as that may or may not be.
 
As a Mariners supporter loved that win.However both sides were over physical and there was obviously bad blood from the NYE fixture.Brisbane do miss Herrington who held their defence together and O'Shea who is a smart footballer.

Mariners played some decent football in patches with good passing movements and interplay by the wingers and strikers

Valkanis]'s post match rant did not do him or his team any favours and he is basically accusing referees of bias.As I said in the CCM fans forum maybe he would be better off coaching the Qld State of Origin team who are always fully aggressive and have a perception that their state and team are the victims of injustices.
 
How long do Brisbane put up with this stuff from Valkanis?

They needed a Milligan type operator. A young coach. Not an old school guy like Valkanis.

Milligan has been the best appointment any club could have made in a long time.
 
The arrogance of Valkanis to think that the game should be stopped so that a decision made or not made can be explained to him, for him to present an alternative version and then be adjudicated by his bench. Of course, that will never happen nor should it but the price is he is no longer focusing on the game which is what he is paid to do.
Valkanis can then view the game on replay and observe what his players can do better. He started well but is now on a slide that I feel he can't arrest because he is limited.
 
CentreHalf said:
How long do Brisbane put up with this stuff from Valkanis?

They needed a Milligan type operator. A young coach. Not an old school guy like Valkanis.

Milligan has been the best appointment any club could have made in a long time.
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I feel like milligan and jets are just a good match. Sometimes it doesn't work out he could have gone to Brisbane or wanderers and not done well
 
I think we are the only team that's keeping NoMates tipping credible, lets hope he's right again
 
Jetsfan said:
I think we are the only team that's keeping NoMates tipping credible, lets hope he's right again
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lol. If Adelaide are to get a result Goodwin, who has been mixing his form, needs to show up. If he does he could get some joy against Jets right-side defence. Also intriguing is how Delianov will perform against his old club and how Natta will perform following Bodo/Glimt transfer talk. Expecting some entertaining football.
 
Hopefully they don't play their usual dirty game, we don't need any more injuries:p
 
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