Thank you for engaging as you have and the effort of typing all that.Well, the current iteration of Australia day has only been celebrated since 1994. It's had many different dates in the past, and even different states celebrated at different times. Invasion day has been around much longer than that. So in essence, some time is only 30 years. It's not that significant in the scale of 200 years of colonisation. It can't be nothing more than 'just Australia Day' though. It is the day for Indigenous people that signifies the start of colonisation, not the celebration of this nation. For them, this nation is built off the back of their ancestors blood, so how can they celebrate that?
We have had many chances to address the real issues. The Voice got shot down, despite overwhelming support for it from First Nations people. We have had multiple First Nations bodies to parliament appointed and then disbanded. We've had conservative governments virtue signal during their time in power and not actually take any action on First Nations rights and needs. The man who was gunning for PM ran out of the apology. He labelled Welcome to Country as virtue signalling and overdone. Refused to stand in front of the Aboriginal flag, and promised to remove First Nations names from significant bases and areas. I'm not talking about a guy from the 70's but a guy who wanted to be PM last year. First Nations people still face higher incarceration rates and unfair treatment. How can we address all these issues when we can't even respect a simple request to not celebrate an invasion on one day? How can we take the right seriously when they say they want to do right by First Nations people when their leadership is deep rooted in not wanting to, and people vote for them?
A simple thing as not understanding the significance of the Welcome to Country. "I sHOulDn't haVE to Be wELcOMeD tO My COuNTry". They are not welcoming non First Nations only. They welcome other First Nations people too. It is an engrained part of their culture and custom that signifies respect and recognition. It signifies welcoming. If they never welcomed other tribes and people, it meant that you were not allowed and had to either leave, or there would be a fight between those tribes. In essence, it signifies that they accept and respect you. Yet, here we are in 2026, where people boo it and refuse to take that respect offered. So i'm sorry, but all this, "put it in the past and let's move forward" is very hard to be taken genuinely when all these things still exist, and are evidence that people don't actually want to move forward.
Invasion day is specifically tied to 26 January because that is the date Arthur Phillip declared the land in the name of the Kingdom. Indigenous people are saying, "change the date". Those words in and of itself, from them, suggests that they would not create issue on any other day. We have to be genuine with our efforts. Not just, "we changed the date, what more do you want". It's been 20 years since the apology, and we still have non First Nations people telling First Nations what they think they need and deserve.
Just because something is hard, doesn't mean you don't do it. Those arguments are tied to strawman fallacy. It's what conservatives and the right have done for a long time. "It won't change anything because there will be all these other things anyway". So because it's hard we shouldn't try, and put it the work needed?
It was a terrorist act. It should be charged as. The refusal to label it so, and the immediate deflection is evidence of the bias reporting, and systemic racism that exists.
Now, I'd love to keep engaging and discussing, but it has been very tiring trying to justify the humanity of people. So forgive me if I don't reply to you, but I don't think I can say anything I haven't already said, or provide any evidence or facts I haven't already, that is going to move the needle of though that many of you have. You seem rational, but there are many that are just stubborn and not here to actually discuss genuinely. Have a good evening.
I am aware how much thought can go into a carefully crafted response.
For me personally, I can understand your viewpoint and discuss it all rationally - but that does not equate to agreement on all your thoughts. I know that we see many things differently.
For my part I will end on one line of thought.
The invasion of this country was not endorsed or undertaken by anyone currently alive and certainly not anyone Australian. Not a single person now can be labelled part of an invading force or an invader, and for that one act alone there can be no Australian apology or admittance of personal blame that has real value or meaning.
"I am sorry that someone else did very bad things to you" is very different from "I am sorry for what we did to you".
For the 200 years of abuse that followed, and continues now, we need to accept that and look to true resolution - but not through a sense of guilt, fault or blame for most of that 200 year period. We do not expect current day Italians (as a ridiculous example) to apologise for the ravages of the Roman Empire. They had nothing to do with it. And I do not expect the current German Government to apologise for Nazi atrocities. I am perhaps naïve on the global political spectrum - but if you had nothing to do with something you have nothing to apologise for.
Recognition, empathy, understanding, shared sorrow, and even restitution - Yes!
Learning and change to stop it and prevent it happening again - Yes!
Blame, fault, guilt - No.
For the 1/32 indigenous people - 31 of their ancestors were, at the least, part of the system which abused the 1. So why do we look to others to apologise to the 1 part when their own ancestors are by far the majority of culprits? If the current Australian people or Government are to blame for prior atrocities, then their own ancestors are to blame. They owe themselves an apology and restitution if you hold current society personally to blame for historic events before any of us was born.
I think there is an irrational and unfair apportionment of blame on current society for many of the historic wrongs. Totally separate to the responsibility of a country to right historic wrongs if it can. But it also should reflect that most of current society is paying for resolution of something that we had no part in.
To make it clear though - none of that refutes the pain and suffering, and abuses both past and present that have to be addressed on humanitarian grounds alone - aside from the benefit to the country as a whole if we could ever find a path to resolution.
I think we just have the wrong focus for resolution on both sides of the divide - attributing blame unfairly now, and that obstructs every process.
Have a good night (or morning now that I look at the time) and I leave our discussion on that unsatisfactory note.