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RIMB said:
I do agree it makes it hard to think of 'our' cultural sites when the rhetoric is "invaders, blow-ins and tenants".

Lucky for me I see myself, those granted citizenship and the original indigenous inhabitants as all being Aussies together so I manage.

We did not come from the indigenous cultural stream, but we can still recognise them as part of our land's heritage and now a country if we want to. Like the UK loves its Roman Walls as part of their land's great history. I accept Muz's point on that.

Personally I do not feel like they are 'our' sites in any way - but I try. The loud minority with hatred and anger do not set my views on the good people in the majority.

As tourists or just ourselves we are not welcome at their sacred sites by their very nature though. Around Uluru we are asked to not take photos and from memory you cannot get among the sacred sites themselves.

Maybe, as part of a tour, visitors would be welcomed and accepted as ceremonial members of the tribe - but it sort of refutes the sacredness and privacy of the traditional owners beliefs if commercialisation can bypass it.

Hard to get excited by their existence when their very sacred nature prevents you from being a part of it.

Perspective can be a choice; albeit a hard and murky one at times.
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Try the Kimberleys, beautiful part of the world & lots of accessible Indigenous art & listen to the stories, truly amazing.

Of course if you expecting Da Vinci like Beratta & Mono from art 40 thousand years ago you may be disappointed.
 
40,000 years ago? WTF? No wonder those who believe in sky faires don't like them. The world is nowhere near that old.
 
tsf said:
40,000 years ago? WTF? No wonder those who believe in sky faires don't like them. The world is nowhere near that old.
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AI Overview

The first anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) appeared in Africa around 300,000 years ago, though the concept of "first human" is complex, evolving from earlier hominids over millions of years, with distinct traits like complex tools emerging much later (around 50,000-65,000 years ago).
 
barra_au said:
God bless this beautiful country of ours.
It's disgusting people who are born here celebrating our national day by burning our flag.

It's quite simple, if you don't like it here, catch a flight out of here ✈️
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Completely agree mate.
 
Robbos said:
Try the Kimberleys, beautiful part of the world & lots of accessible Indigenous art & listen to the stories, truly amazing.

Of course if you expecting Da Vinci like Beratta & Mono from art 40 thousand years ago you may be disappointed.
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I've been to quite a few historical Aboriginal art exhibitions in various places and some of the stuff is exquisite. One particular exhibition was at MONA in Hobart where they recreated some of the cave art in the gallery I was blown away.

Also one at the Art Gallery of South Australia which was all portable pieces.which were amazingly presented.

There's always going to be daft people who say its just a load of dots and squiggles using ochre colours but you really have to try and understand the cultural significance of it to appreciate its finer points.

The whole Dreamtime storytelling thing is quite humbling really.
 
barra_au said:
God bless this beautiful country of ours.
It's disgusting people who are born here celebrating our national day by burning our flag.

It's quite simple, if you don't like it here, catch a flight out of here ✈️
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Not a single person 'celebrated' the burning of the flag on this board. Not one.

What did happen, now read this carefully, was a defence of the act of burning of a flag as a cornerstone of our (Australians) right of freedom of expression.

It's sad, but unsurprising really, that people like you and Mr Sharkboy don't seem to understand the nuances of the argument.

It's quite simple if you don't like freedom of expression then catch a flight out of here and move to a country where that's illegal. You can join @Sharkman84 in China. He takes his lead from communist, authoritarian regimes.
 
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Robbos said:
AI Overview

The first anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) appeared in Africa around 300,000 years ago, though the concept of "first human" is complex, evolving from earlier hominids over millions of years, with distinct traits like complex tools emerging much later (around 50,000-65,000 years ago).
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He's joking mate.
 
barra_au said:
God bless this beautiful country of ours.
It's disgusting people who are born here celebrating our national day by burning our flag.

It's quite simple, if you don't like it here, catch a flight out of here ✈️
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I'm not one for burning flags myself. There’s countries run by people I'm not keen on like Russia and Iran, maybe North Korea but I still wouldn't burn their flag at a protest....It's highly disrespectful to the people from that country who aren't carnts!

But I also wouldn't walk around with a flag draped over my shoulders either because it seems a bit silly.

Flags should only really be seen on ships, government buildings and institutions and at Olympic Games medal ceremonies.

Wearing it as an item of clothing cheapens the significance of it.
 
Muz said:
Not a single person 'celebrated' the burning of the flag on this board. Not one.

What did happen, now read this carefully, was a defence of the act of burning of a flag as a cornerstone of our (Australians) right of freedom of expression.

It's sad, but unsurprising really, that people like you and Mr Sharkboy don't seem to understand the nuances of the argument.

It's quite simple if you don't like freedom of expression then catch a flight out of here and move to a country where that's illegal. You can join @Sharkman84 in China. He takes his lead from communist, authoritarian regimes.
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Do you always talk about yourself like that?

Communism has no place in a Western society. Ever.
 
Football us life said:
I'm not one for burning flags myself. There’s countries run by people I'm not keen on like Russia and Iran, maybe North Korea but I still wouldn't burn their flag at a protest....It's highly disrespectful to the people from that country who aren't carnts!

But I also wouldn't walk around with a flag draped over my shoulders either because it seems a bit silly.

Flags should only really be seen on ships, government buildings and institutions and at Olympic Games medal ceremonies.

Wearing it as an item of clothing cheapens the significance of it.
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Quick sidebar. If Australia was currently engaged in, I don't know, mass murder of East Timorese people over, say gas rights, and I'm talking 10 thousand of them, do you think burning the flag to protest the government's actions would be warranted?

I'd say yes but I'm interested in your thoughts as someone whose opinion I have time for.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Do you always talk about yourself like that?

Communism has no place in a Western society. Ever.
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Proving, yet again, comprehension and nuance are just words you refuse to look up in the dictionary.

Do try to keep up dear.
 
Muz said:
Quick sidebar. If Australia was currently engaged in, I don't know, mass murder of East Timorese people over, say gas rights, and I'm talking 10 thousand of them, do you think burning the flag to protest the government's actions would be warranted?

I'd say yes but I'm interested in your thoughts as someone whose opinion I have time for.
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... to butt in if I may, but would this also include you chanting "fuck Australia" while burning the flag?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
... to butt in if I may, but would this also include you chanting "fuck Australia" while burning the flag?
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Sure.

If our government was murdering 10s of thousands of people and descending into a fascist shithole then probably.

Would you be proud of 'Australia' or be proud to be an Australian if that were happening?

Double sidebar, would you be upset at east Timorese people chanting 'fuck Australia' and give them a pass for that?
 
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