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Source: football S facebook page

FEATURE: Calls for specialised union in Australia for football administration staff

By Janakan Seemampillai

There are growing calls within the Australian football industry about a specialised union that represents administrative staff at football clubs.
With the financial struggles faced by A-League Clubs like Western United, Central Coast, Brisbane Roar to name a few, as well as a number of NPL clubs across the country, a number of administrative staff who work behind the scenes at football clubs are often ignored or left behind. Most have little financial means to obtain decent legal advice to help them.
The players have the Professional Footballers Association (PFA), who have been quite vocal in the Western United saga re support of players for both the men’s and women’s teams, but this support of course has understandably not extended to administrative staff.
While the United Workers Union (UWU), Australian Services Union (ASU) and Australian Workers Union (AWU) are always available for staff in the sports industry, many within the football industry believe there should be a specialised union created for admin staff at football clubs as well as administrative staff at the game’s governing bodies including Football Australia and State Member Federations.
Considering the financial challenges that are always so evident within football, as well as numerous claims of unfair work hours experienced by administrative staff, this seems like a logical move. Many administrative staff often complain of exploitation and being forced to do roles outside the scope of their job requirements, without the appropriate financial compensation. Since football operates outside traditional business hours, it makes staff even more vulnerable.
There are also concerns on the over reliance of volunteers at A-League Clubs and NPL clubs, particularly those partaking in the Australian Championship (second tier). A number of clubs across all of these competitions are using volunteers to carry out important administrative tasks, which many within the industry feel is a blatant exploitation of passionate fans.
It is understood there was talk around 2017-18 for such a union to get off the ground, but this hasn’t come to fruition as yet.
The struggles of Western United have been in the public eye, but the main focus has been on players and coaching staff. A number of administrative staff at Western United are still owed a significant amount of unpaid wages and/or redundancy payments. Many haven’t been paid for up to four months.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1HNP5u6UL2/?mibextid=wwXIfr
It is understood these staff have been promised payment will be made over the next 48 hours, which comes as news filters through that Johnson Controls has provided funds for Western United’s parent entity to pay $15.5 million in ATO debts.
There have also been rumours that Lederer Group Pty Ltd have proposed to provide further funding, though this has not been publicly confirmed.
The Johnson Controls funds were supposed to cover the ATO’s debts, but it is unclear if there are additional funds to cover what administration staff at Western United are owed.
With football getting even more costly and revenue streams dwindling, now seems as good a time as ever for administrative staff to find more support.
 
Source: football S facebook page

FEATURE: Calls for specialised union in Australia for football administration staff

By Janakan Seemampillai

There are growing calls within the Australian football industry about a specialised union that represents administrative staff at football clubs.
With the financial struggles faced by A-League Clubs like Western United, Central Coast, Brisbane Roar to name a few, as well as a number of NPL clubs across the country, a number of administrative staff who work behind the scenes at football clubs are often ignored or left behind. Most have little financial means to obtain decent legal advice to help them.
The players have the Professional Footballers Association (PFA), who have been quite vocal in the Western United saga re support of players for both the men’s and women’s teams, but this support of course has understandably not extended to administrative staff.
While the United Workers Union (UWU), Australian Services Union (ASU) and Australian Workers Union (AWU) are always available for staff in the sports industry, many within the football industry believe there should be a specialised union created for admin staff at football clubs as well as administrative staff at the game’s governing bodies including Football Australia and State Member Federations.
Considering the financial challenges that are always so evident within football, as well as numerous claims of unfair work hours experienced by administrative staff, this seems like a logical move. Many administrative staff often complain of exploitation and being forced to do roles outside the scope of their job requirements, without the appropriate financial compensation. Since football operates outside traditional business hours, it makes staff even more vulnerable.
There are also concerns on the over reliance of volunteers at A-League Clubs and NPL clubs, particularly those partaking in the Australian Championship (second tier). A number of clubs across all of these competitions are using volunteers to carry out important administrative tasks, which many within the industry feel is a blatant exploitation of passionate fans.
It is understood there was talk around 2017-18 for such a union to get off the ground, but this hasn’t come to fruition as yet.
The struggles of Western United have been in the public eye, but the main focus has been on players and coaching staff. A number of administrative staff at Western United are still owed a significant amount of unpaid wages and/or redundancy payments. Many haven’t been paid for up to four months.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1HNP5u6UL2/?mibextid=wwXIfr
It is understood these staff have been promised payment will be made over the next 48 hours, which comes as news filters through that Johnson Controls has provided funds for Western United’s parent entity to pay $15.5 million in ATO debts.
There have also been rumours that Lederer Group Pty Ltd have proposed to provide further funding, though this has not been publicly confirmed.
The Johnson Controls funds were supposed to cover the ATO’s debts, but it is unclear if there are additional funds to cover what administration staff at Western United are owed.
With football getting even more costly and revenue streams dwindling, now seems as good a time as ever for administrative staff to find more support.
He missed a trick by NOT interviewing Frank Brunoskevic to substantiate his slanderous claims about NPL and championship club volunteers demanding to be paid....
Janakan makes Trump sound like Jim Carey in Liar Liar.
 
He missed a trick by NOT interviewing Frank Brunoskevic to substantiate his slanderous claims about NPL and championship club volunteers demanding to be paid....
Janakan makes Trump sound like Jim Carey in Liar Liar.
Would have thought football s wouldnt be biased in that way?
 
Would have thought football s wouldnt be biased in that way?
Nothing to do with any site but old Janakan "lets make up a Yugo sounding ex NSL player to help squash the NST" has history of lying ... Not to mention the absurdity of stating that NPL club volunteers are looking to unionize.. they are volunteers FFS and don't get paid they LOVE their clubs thats what a volunteer does. The bloke doesnt even understand the fundamentals of lying.. at least make it slightly believable.
 
Nothing to do with any site but old Janakan "lets make up a Yugo sounding ex NSL player to help squash the NST" has history of lying ... Not to mention the absurdity of stating that NPL club volunteers are looking to unionize.. they are volunteers FFS and don't get paid they LOVE their clubs thats what a volunteer does. The bloke doesnt even understand the fundamentals of lying.. at least make it slightly believable.
oh wait I just got the reference, it really is the same Janakan! Good catch

I'm really surprised football S featured them given their ideological slant! (They are the middle aged blokes that sing ricky martin before each show)
 
oh wait I just got the reference, it really is the same Janakan! Good catch

I'm really surprised football S featured them given their ideological slant! (They are the middle aged blokes that sing ricky martin before each show)
Well, Im a fan now then. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
 
have you never watched an episode?

They are actually pretty informative, but the best bit is definitely watching the deadpan awkward stares while the middle aged host dances to ricky martin (starts after the add 40 seconds in)


Hahahah yeah I have watched a few, he is a right loony...
 
Complaining about volunteers doing important work is piss weak.

How about acknowledging their volunteered commitment instead?

At the least volunteers give up their time when they could be doing anything else - including having fun with the rest of the supporters. Exploited my arse. If they have choice to do it or not, and their efforts are acknowledged and appreciated, then there is no exploitation.

Unionisation - yes, we need another level of bureaucracy to make football better in this country. Someone wants to be the head of a new union so they can get more power or a bigger house too.
 
Unionisation - yes, we need another level of bureaucracy to make football better in this country. Someone wants to be the head of a new union so they can get more power or a bigger house too.
Yeah in Australian soccer it does seem like another union means another layer of not getting things done in the game.

They have an important place but maybe have too much power. For example with the PFA, the heat policy is good but cancelling school clinics is a shocker. They held back a second tier 20 years ago. They've held back the DTS.

We're our own enemy when it comes to not getting things done.

But I'm looking forward to seeing this month what they come up with for the game going forward.
 
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I’m biased!

I’m on the 7 person Executive of the National Retired Unionist Network. It operates under the auspices of the 1.8 million member Aus Council of Trade Unions.

Grazor and I were discussing football with a former Melb Vic youth coach. Overnight he was sacked by a different senior coaching regime at the club. This should never happen!

No rationale for dismissal either.
 
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I’m biased!

I’m on the 7 person Executive of the National Retired Unionist Network.

Grazor and I were discussing football with a former Melb Vic youth coach. Overnight he was sacked by a different senior coaching regime at the club. This should never happen!

No rationale for dismissal either.
Should be the Retired Unionist Industry Network ;).

I'm equally biased. Butted heads with unions most of my working career. Funny how the union always supported the individual on the other end of the phone and not the individual on my end. Two employees but I was in an office so my work was always made harder to fix the other's problem even when it was their own fault. But like politics, I would rather not bring it into this forum even though I just did - so no more engagement from me on that score.

A Melb Vic Youth coach would not be a volunteer would they? Can't be 'sacked' from a volunteer role since it isn't an employment contract. As an employee I would expect the legislative employment framework cover unfair dismissal but if it was a volunteer you can't have volunteers feeling entitled to an ongoing arrangement. That just doesn't make sense no matter how unfairly a person told their services will no longer be required might feel.

Should still be handled with common decency I agree though.

Again - just another steaming pile of my two cents worth.
 
Should be the Retired Unionist Industry Network ;).

I'm equally biased. Butted heads with unions most of my working career. Funny how the union always supported the individual on the other end of the phone and not the individual on my end. Two employees but I was in an office so my work was always made harder to fix the other's problem even when it was their own fault.
I hear you. Same situation for me at times.
 
Should be the Retired Unionist Industry Network ;).

I'm equally biased. Butted heads with unions most of my working career. Funny how the union always supported the individual on the other end of the phone and not the individual on my end. Two employees but I was in an office so my work was always made harder to fix the other's problem even when it was their own fault. But like politics, I would rather not bring it into this forum even though I just did - so no more engagement from me on that score.

A Melb Vic Youth coach would not be a volunteer would they? Can't be 'sacked' from a volunteer role since it isn't an employment contract. As an employee I would expect the legislative employment framework cover unfair dismissal but if it was a volunteer you can't have volunteers feeling entitled to an ongoing arrangement. That just doesn't make sense no matter how unfairly a person told their services will no longer be required might feel.

Should still be handled with common decency I agree though.

Again - just another steaming pile of my two cents worth.
On a recent Podcast, Grazor and I were just discussing football with a recent Melb Vic youth coach, Danny.

I have not seen him coach, and can't pass an opinion on his coaching, but there was quite a lot of synergy, and he agreed with the vast majority of my football analyses of players/ NC scenarios (not quite remembering what was edited out), but the poor bloke was sacked overnight with a new senior coach appointed at the MV in his tenure - which ended abruptly. Danny has produced a few Socceroos too.

The whole MV youth coaching staff were replaced overnight. If those MV youth coaches had been in a union, it would never have happened! There would have been a due process that would have occurred for reasonable grounds for the youth coaching staff's dismissal.

It was why I never left teaching, (having a strong union, the AEU), to take up offers for paid football positions.
 
In my experience, the individuals that the unions supported were, more often than not, the most incompetent or the most lazy employees. The better employees were the ones the employers wanted to keep, so weren’t looking to offload them and these employees generally didn’t need the union as an individual.

I’m not saying this Danny bloke was offloaded because he was incompetent, because I have no knowledge of the circumstances, but football coaching is more akin to a managerial position than an at-the-coalface position, and managerial positions aren’t generally unionised. And in many cases managers aren’t moved on because of incompetence, but because the employer is looking for a change in direction. It’s part of the deal if you are in a managerial position, and I think football coaching is part of that.
 
On a recent Podcast, Grazor and I were just discussing football with a recent Melb Vic youth coach, Danny.

I have not seen him coach, and can't pass an opinion on his coaching, but there was quite a lot of synergy, and he agreed with the vast majority of my football analyses of players/ NC scenarios (not quite remembering what was edited out), but the poor bloke was sacked overnight with a new senior coach appointed at the MV in his tenure - which ended abruptly. Danny has produced a few Socceroos too.

The whole MV youth coaching staff were replaced overnight. If those MV youth coaches had been in a union, it would never have happened! There would have been a due process that would have occurred for reasonable grounds for the youth coaching staff's dismissal.

It was why I never left teaching, (having a strong union, the AEU), to take up offers for paid football positions.
How soon after he agreed with you was he sacked?

Just asking for a friend... :whistle:

Seriously though - any employee should be covered by fair work practices and unfair dismissal legislation unless they are a genuine casual worker with less than 12 months of tenure. I thought that gave nation wide coverage and protection.

It can't necessarily stop you being sacked for a change of direction but at least it can compensate you for the action if it is unreasonable.

On the teaching side I acknowledge that the work effort is huge both inside and outside the classroom - but I also know that there are a lot of teachers with poor work ethics who accept the higher pay and just recycle their lessons year after year. I grew up with teachers who just wrote on the blackboard for the whole lesson and had us copy it. I never learned much or engaged with their subjects I am afraid.

Having other teachers who put in effort highlighted the difference a good teacher can make - even the ones with the 'wrong' political and social viewpoint for my upbringing and opinions.

With no actual knowledge of you, I do not think you would have been one of those 'lazy' types; so good on you for sticking at it and making a difference.

Football wears out your body and boots.
Teaching wears out your mind and teeth.
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How soon after he agreed with you was he sacked?
haha, apparently poppa did a big cleanout of victory when he he took over including the academy
 
haha, apparently poppa did a big cleanout of victory when he he took over including the academy
Popovic is an inflexible wrecking ball. Really not a fan of his. We fell away quickly after that initial bump in form under him. The drudgery of his football is hard enough work when you're winning.
 
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