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The A‑League's problem isn’t football, it's culture. Unless that changes, nothing else will

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New article from TheRoar ; I’m under the impression we’re not supposed to share stuff from there on here, but fvck it in this instance - it’s too pertinent to the current status-quo. Plus I’m not linking directly to it, so there’s that also. Anyway:
Luke Karapetsas said:
Let’s stop pretending the A-League’s decline is complicated. It isn’t. Crowds haven’t fallen because the football suddenly got worse, or because Australians “don’t like football”, or because of the weather, or the timeslots, or the cost of living. The A-League is fading because it never built a football culture strong enough to survive the inevitable bumps in the road. It is a crisis of identity, not quality.

If you were around the league in the early 2010s, you know exactly what has been lost. The derbies were events. The active ends were loud, colourful, and intimidating. The 2014/15 Melbourne Derby semi-final remains one of the most electric atmospheres Australian sport has ever produced. It felt like the whole city was watching. It felt important.

Today, the derby still draws a respectable crowd, but the cultural relevance has evaporated. The build-up barely registers. The atmosphere is a shadow of what it once was. And the reason is obvious. The league’s football culture was built on active support, and active supporters eventually walked away. They didn’t leave because they were fickle - they left because they were pushed. Years of over-policing, tifo restrictions, opaque bans, and decisions like the Sydney Grand Final sale created an adversarial relationship between the league and its most passionate fans. When active supporters left, the noise left with them. And without noise, the league lost its soul.

But here’s the uncomfortable truth. Even if every active supporter returned tomorrow, the A-League would still have a problem. Because the deeper issue is that the league never embedded itself into the community in the first place. The AFL did. The national teams did. The A-League didn’t.

The Socceroos and Matildas don’t need ultras to fill stadiums. The AFL doesn’t need tifos or choreographed marches to dominate the sporting landscape. They succeed because they are woven into the fabric of Australian life. AFL clubs are civic institutions. Walk through Footscray and you’ll see Bulldogs murals everywhere. Kids grow up wearing club colours because players visit their schools, run clinics, and build lifelong loyalty.

Growing up in Adelaide, the Crows came to my primary school. They ran a clinic, handed out membership forms, and I signed up. Adelaide United never did that. And that’s the point. The A-League has never built that kind of generational connection. It has marketed itself as a product, not a community. And products can be ignored. Communities can’t.

This cultural disconnect is now being compounded by something even more alarming. The players themselves have lost confidence in the league’s direction. The PFA has been openly and repeatedly dissatisfied with APL management, criticising the lack of transparency, the instability, and the failure to invest in the fundamentals that make a league sustainable. When your most important stakeholders, the players, are publicly questioning the competence of the league’s leadership, you have a structural problem, not a PR problem.

If the A-League wants to survive, it needs to stop acting like a franchise
competition and start acting like a civic institution. That starts with owning the suburbs. Every club should be deeply embedded in a handful of local government areas, not just through posters or billboards, but through people. Weekly school visits, free clinics, school futsal competitions, academy pathways tied to local schools, and genuine partnerships with local clubs and councils. This is how the AFL does it. This is how the J-League does it. This is how the A-League must do it. If you want generational fans, you have to meet them when they’re 8 years old - not when they’re 28.

It also means embracing multicultural Australia properly. Football is the most multicultural sport in the country, yet the A-League barely taps into the communities that already live and breathe the game. Every club should be hosting or partnering with cultural tournaments, community festivals, and local futsal competitions. Events like South Australia’s African Nations Cup shouldn’t be outliers. They should be the norm. These aren’t “nice extras”. They are the beating heart of football culture in Australia. If the A-League can’t connect with multicultural communities, it doesn’t deserve to survive.

And then there’s active support, the league’s greatest asset and the area where it has done the most damage. Active supporters aren’t the problem. They’re the solution. The relationship between clubs and active groups has always been one-way. Clubs dictate, fans react, and everyone loses. The Fan Representative Group is a start, but it needs real authority. Every club needs a Supporter Liaison Officer, a model used in the J-League and MLS, to create genuine partnership. That means clear, fair rules for active support, transparent ban processes, club advocacy when policing is excessive, and consistent collaboration on tifos, safe-standing, and matchday atmosphere. Atmosphere doesn’t happen by accident. It’s built through trust. And right now, trust is the one thing the A-League doesn’t have.

Fixing the matchday experience is the final piece of the puzzle, and yes, Mark Cuban is the blueprint. When he bought the Dallas Mavericks in 2000, they were a joke. He turned them into a powerhouse by investing in the product, better facilities, better coaching, better players, and by transforming the fan experience so that every game felt like an event. The A-League can’t copy everything, nor should it, but the philosophy applies. The league must invest in better coaching, better youth pathways, better player welfare, better storytelling, and better atmosphere. It must make matchdays feel like events again.

One simple, powerful idea is a club-sponsored walk to the stadium. Imagine this. Local bars near the ground become pre-match hubs, promoted through schools and community events. Fans gather, meet ambassadors, receive scarves and chant sheets, and then walk together to the stadium. It’s low-cost, high-impact, and instantly visible. It boosts attendance, builds atmosphere, and gives newcomers a way into the culture. And this is where the league should introduce a low-cost “Welcome to Football” ticket, a deliberately cheap, entry-level offer designed to hook new fans the same way Mark Cuban did when he told Dallas locals, “The first game is on me.” You get people in the door, you give them a great experience, and they come back because they want to, not because they’re begged to.

The A-League’s future depends on one thing, becoming a civic institution. If the league wants long-term relevance, it must stop chasing short-term sugar hits, washed-up marquees, marketing gimmicks, or national team halo effects. The formula is simple. Community first, culture first, football first. Build clubs that matter to their suburbs. Rebuild trust with active supporters. Invest in the players and listen to the PFA. Create matchdays that feel alive. Do that, and the crowds will come back, not because they’re told to, but because the A-League will finally feel like it belongs to them.
 
I think that from the outset, the A-League's powers to be defined it in opposition to the old National Soccer League. Where the NSL was framed as being chaotic, tribal and ethnically explicit, the new competition promised safety, neutrality and control. Some of that reset was necessary. But in sanitising the game, the league also stripped away much of the organic culture that gives football its meaning. Support was welcomed only when it was colourful and compliant, discouraged when it became political, confrontational or genuinely passionate.

That instinct has never disappeared. Active support is still treated as both the league’s greatest asset and its greatest risk. Drums, banners and choreography are used to sell atmosphere on television, yet the autonomy of supporter groups is tightly policed. The message to fans has been consistent - bring noise, but don’t bring too much noise. Predictably, this has produced cycles of protest, disengagement and mistrust.

Compounding the problem is the way fans are positioned within the league’s decision-making. Too often, they are treated as consumers rather than stakeholders. The 2022 grand final decision wasn’t just a commercial misstep - it was a cultural rupture. It told supporters that rituals, traditions and collective memory could be traded away with minimal consultation. In football, symbolism matters. When it is ignored, resentment follows.

The A-League’s franchise model has also made culture harder to sustain. Constant resets, clubs folding, rebranding or changing ownership, interrupt the slow accumulation of memory that supporter culture depends on. Rivalries need time. So do grudges, stories and rituals. Instability erodes all three.

There is also a broader invisibility problem. Fragmented broadcasting and limited mainstream media coverage have pushed the league to the margins of Australia’s sporting imagination. Culture cannot grow in isolation because it needs to be argued over, written about, and encountered by accident.

Ultimately, the A-League’s cultural struggle reflects a governance mindset more comfortable with risk management than meaning-making. Football culture is messy, emotional and sometimes uncomfortable. Trying to control it into neatness only drains it of life.

The league’s future depends on a simple shift- stop managing culture, and start trusting it.....


As for the football??

Who fuckin cares? Football is football wherever you are. As far as I'm concerned all football is good. From the Redlands United v Wynum Wolves Under 7's to Argentina v Brazil to the 2026 World Cup Final...

Of course none of this requires a reinvention of the game or a desperate chase for relevance. The A-League doesn’t need to be more European, louder, or angrier it just needs to be braver. Braver in trusting its supporters, braver in tolerating discomfort, and braver in accepting that culture grows unevenly and sometimes inconveniently. Football, in Australia as elsewhere, has never thrived by being polite or perfectly managed. If the A-League can accept that culture is something you host rather than control, it may yet discover that the passion it has long feared is the very thing that can sustain it.

Oh and get rid of summertime football. My one and only criticism of the A-League really.

BTW I hate football played in 32°C.....
 
"If the league wants long-term relevance, it must stop chasing short-term sugar hits, washed-up marquees, marketing gimmicks, or national team halo effect"

Wasnt all the fanfare pretty much built on this? The socceroos qualifying for 2006/10/14 and the steady stream of marquee players providing annual sugar hits?

Most people i know who use to obsessively follow the A league in its first decade or so were attracted by those sugar hits. They dont want to follow a youth league, they were all in on the gimmicks. If the competition wants relevance again it has to essentially go all in with its plastic roots, these arent community clubs so whatever the Western Bulldogs do has no relevance. Unfortunately money is tight now so its hard to go back to those days.

The A league is at a crossroads now because it doesnt have an identity. What made it succesfull in its first decade appears to no longer be financially sustainable. What it currently is with its excessive youth is essentially a poor mans nsl. Not the position you want to be in imo. Especially now that the bbl has become the main summer gimmick comp that crowds flock to.
 
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"If the league wants long-term relevance, it must stop chasing short-term sugar hits, washed-up marquees, marketing gimmicks, or national team halo effect"

Wasnt all the fanfare pretty much built on this? The socceroos qualifying for 2006/10/14 and the steady stream of marquee players providing annual sugar hits?

Most people i know who use to obsessively follow the A league in its first decade or so were attracted by those sugar hits. They dont want to follow a youth league, they were all in on the gimmicks. If the competition wants relevance again it has to essentially go all in with its plastic roots, these arent community clubs so whatever the Western Bulldogs do has no relevance. Unfortunately money is tight now so its hard to go back to those days.

The A league is at a crossroads now because it doesnt have an identity. What made it succesfull in its first decade appears to no longer be financially sustainable. What it currently is with its excessive youth is essentially a poor mans nsl. Not the position you want to be in imo. Especially now that the bbl has become the main summer gimmick comp that crowds flock to.
And old mate Luke "Black skin" wants a franchise league to NOT act like a franchise league and engage with the soccer mad ethnic communities again???

Thats taking them back to square one surely?
 
I think that from the outset, the A-League's powers to be defined it in opposition to the old National Soccer League. Where the NSL was framed as being chaotic, tribal and ethnically explicit, the new competition promised safety, neutrality and control. Some of that reset was necessary. But in sanitising the game, the league also stripped away much of the organic culture that gives football its meaning. Support was welcomed only when it was colourful and compliant, discouraged when it became political, confrontational or genuinely passionate.

That instinct has never disappeared. Active support is still treated as both the league’s greatest asset and its greatest risk. Drums, banners and choreography are used to sell atmosphere on television, yet the autonomy of supporter groups is tightly policed. The message to fans has been consistent - bring noise, but don’t bring too much noise. Predictably, this has produced cycles of protest, disengagement and mistrust.

Compounding the problem is the way fans are positioned within the league’s decision-making. Too often, they are treated as consumers rather than stakeholders. The 2022 grand final decision wasn’t just a commercial misstep - it was a cultural rupture. It told supporters that rituals, traditions and collective memory could be traded away with minimal consultation. In football, symbolism matters. When it is ignored, resentment follows.

The A-League’s franchise model has also made culture harder to sustain. Constant resets, clubs folding, rebranding or changing ownership, interrupt the slow accumulation of memory that supporter culture depends on. Rivalries need time. So do grudges, stories and rituals. Instability erodes all three.

There is also a broader invisibility problem. Fragmented broadcasting and limited mainstream media coverage have pushed the league to the margins of Australia’s sporting imagination. Culture cannot grow in isolation because it needs to be argued over, written about, and encountered by accident.

Ultimately, the A-League’s cultural struggle reflects a governance mindset more comfortable with risk management than meaning-making. Football culture is messy, emotional and sometimes uncomfortable. Trying to control it into neatness only drains it of life.

The league’s future depends on a simple shift- stop managing culture, and start trusting it.....


As for the football??

Who fuckin cares? Football is football wherever you are. As far as I'm concerned all football is good. From the Redlands United v Wynum Wolves Under 7's to Argentina v Brazil to the 2026 World Cup Final...

Of course none of this requires a reinvention of the game or a desperate chase for relevance. The A-League doesn’t need to be more European, louder, or angrier it just needs to be braver. Braver in trusting its supporters, braver in tolerating discomfort, and braver in accepting that culture grows unevenly and sometimes inconveniently. Football, in Australia as elsewhere, has never thrived by being polite or perfectly managed. If the A-League can accept that culture is something you host rather than control, it may yet discover that the passion it has long feared is the very thing that can sustain it.

Oh and get rid of summertime football. My one and only criticism of the A-League really.

BTW I hate football played in 32°C.....
Lay with dogs, wake up with fleas.... This was 21 years of scorched earth re-invention of the game to land at the same sad mediocre level it was at the death of the NSL... AT this point there isnt much of a difference.
 
New article from TheRoar ; I’m under the impression we’re not supposed to share stuff from there on here, but fvck it in this instance - it’s too pertinent to the current status-quo. Plus I’m not linking directly to it, so there’s that also. Anyway:
Theroar wouldn't allow 442 to share, but if roar have no issue I doubt we have an issue!
 
Would love a JFA/J League exec to give us some advice. Japan seems to be doing really well producing major talent and shipping them overseas whilst still having a good league without it being a complete money league for rich retirees like the MLS or SPL.
 
Would love a JFA/J League exec to give us some advice. Japan seems to be doing really well producing major talent and shipping them overseas whilst still having a good league without it being a complete money league for rich retirees like the MLS or SPL.
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I took three football newbies to WSW vs AKL, I was shocked at how there were in active support compared to what I remember seeing on TV 10 years ago. There was no atmosphere, it felt boring and I they won’t come back a second time.
 
I took three football newbies to WSW vs AKL, I was shocked at how there were in active support compared to what I remember seeing on TV 10 years ago. There was no atmosphere, it felt boring and I they won’t come back a second time.
Thx for sharing..did they not enjoy the actual game?
 
Oh and get rid of summertime football. My one and only criticism of the A-League really.

BTW I hate football played in 32°C.....
Unfortunately, the big AFC leagues are going to summer to winter in 2026, if Australia tried to go back, I reckon AFC will deny or try to put a stamp to it.
 
This isn't the case though. The actual ethnics now are Brazillians, Colombians, Somalian's etc, the communities that came in the 50-70s do not care about football. Bulldogs, St George in the NRL and AFL or Liverpool in Vic. Go sports.
Think that’s just a matter of semantics; it’s about engaging w/⚽️-mad communities full-stop, regardless of whether they’re more recent ones or as you mentioned, the immediate post-WWII influx.
 
Unfortunately, the big AFC leagues are going to summer to winter in 2026, if Australia tried to go back, I reckon AFC will deny or try to put a stamp to it.
FWIW, it’s the only part of Ful’s post that I fundamentally disagreed with.
 
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