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[Football us life]

Housing is not a fundamental human right. It's something that either you provide for yourself or society helps you with. Just like food is.

Not exactly 'a fundamental human right' but Australia is a signatory to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), which recognises the right to adequate housing.

According to Copilot anyway...

 

[Keeper66]

I'd hazard a guess that taxi driving and uber, both rideshare and food delivery are predominantly migrant occupations in Australia these days...

Most Sunday nights for the last few years I've been getting paella door-dashed from a local Spanish restaurant and it's almost guaranteed to be delivered by what you might call a non Australian....

Paella and a few San Miguel's is a Sunday night tradition in my house!!

Whenever I hear people whinge about mass-migration I always think to myself....who the fark is gonna be delivering my Paella on Sunday nights if there's no migration??

Selfish I know but that Paella is to die for....

Don’t be so lazy, go and pick it up yourself!!!

 

[JS96]

My guess is a lot of these gig workers will come into Australia on either study, some kind of skilled work visa or the refugee process.....

There's always stories about skilled workers who getbto Australia and can't get jobs when they get here. So they drive a taxi, a rideshare or deliver food. Or maybe they're a student doing 15 hours of study and joining the gig economy to.make ends meet...

Or they're working in a regular job but doing rhe gig stuff as a way of earning extra dough.

Or they've been through the refugee process and it's the only work they can get.

I'm pretty sure Australia doesn't hand out visa's just for gig workers.

I think you're right. It's not the UK or Germany. The number of people using the student system to come and work needs to be checked. However, the checks and costs are apparently astronomical but I'm not so sure they've clamped down on the former so much. If they're somehow pay to the university they're not going to be waved away.

 

[JS96]

Don’t be so lazy, go and pick it up yourself!!!

If I order I'll only use the in house driver or walk there myself. Stuff uber Eats etc.

 

[Muz]

Housing is not a fundamental human right. It's something that either you provide for yourself or society helps you with. Just like food is.

Yeah nah. What's the point of a wealthy society if we can't look after the poorest of us.

I realise you'll ignore this based on your preset ideas.

 

[Muz]

Organic growth with the local birth rate which would be supported by affordable housing. What a novel idea.

Ok. Now come up with some policies that fix the declining birth rate and fix housing affordability.

 

[Muz]

Actually Muz housing is a poor investment and I would recommend other investments as providing better returns. Even though a considerable portion of my accumulated wealth is in property I wouldn't invest in more property these days as the rental returns don't cover the expenses. That means rents are relatively cheap in my eyes and renters are being subsidised by the owners. When I bought my first investment property it got a gross rental of 13%(I thought I got a bargain). My second purchase was around 7 years later with an 8% gross return (I thought I paid about market price). You are lucky to get 3% gross these days, and even if you don't have a mortgage that works out to around 1.5% net. It's also the most taxed form of investment with owners paying council rates to local govt, land tax to state govts and if there is anything left over income tax to the federal Govt. If you decide to sell and make a gain the Govt takes about 20% of that. I've read a few of your posts on this topic and realise you won't believe me because you have preset ideas.

Absolute garbage. The average return per annum between 1998 and 2018 is 10.2 per cent cent per annum. Way above banking and the ASX.

It's probably way over that post covid.

97 per cent return over the last 10 years.

House Prices in Australia Over the Last 10 Years and What’s Ahead For the Next Decade https://share.google/MB2hjumPPhwMDytWA

 

[Muz]

Housing is not a fundamental human right. It's something that either you provide for yourself or society helps you with. Just like food is.

It is a fundamental right in a wealthy society and anyone that thinks people deserve to be living in cars because they can't 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' is an arsehole.

 

[Muz]

 

[JS96]

Ok. Now come up with some policies that fix the declining birth rate and fix housing affordability.

I think they've been outlined enough in this forum and we'll just be going in circles. If people feel their future is secure they're more likely to start a family. There are some cultural and generational factors too. Perhaps births in previous generations were somewhat forced or expected as the norm.

 

[JS96]

Absolute garbage. The average return per annum between 1998 and 2018 is 10.2 per cent cent per annum. Way above banking and the ASX.

It's probably way over that post covid.

97 per cent return over the last 10 years.

House Prices in Australia Over the Last 10 Years and What’s Ahead For the Next Decade https://share.google/MB2hjumPPhwMDytWA

And here's my silly parents who bought an apartment in 1999 and sold it in 05 as it was costing them a couple of grand a year and they were rowing about everything else anyway. Had they waited... But they sold it and now someone else has a home so yippee.

 

[JS96]

Yeah nah. What's the point of a wealthy society if we can't look after the poorest of us.

I realise you'll ignore this based on your preset ideas.

A vastly different system but I'd be interested in somewhere like Saudi and how the provisions are for citizens. Still, there are many archaic rules there if you don't play their game.

I wonder how much of an issue poverty or hardship in Singapore is. Surely some good YouTube docs on the somewhat concealed matter.

 

[tsf]

Reading some of the shite on here, it sounds like most of you prefer communism.

Thank you for your contribution

 

[tsf]

I sponsor people from overseas. And short term rentals helped as one girl who works for me could rent a house for a month, then get to inspections for property easier. Actually a few have done that.

I don’t have all the answers but I’m against negative gearing now. We need a new strategy.

In the bright side my commercial property has nearly doubled in 5 years

 

[tsf]

Yeah nah. What's the point of a wealthy society if we can't look after the poorest of us.

I realise you'll ignore this based on your preset ideas.

This.

The thing is it’s not all being a hippy and a love in.

Everyone’s life will suck in the future if there is a massive divide.

Crime will go up, progress will stall, the streets will look like shit, everyone will be miserable.

Do we want to end up like America?

It’s one everyone’s best interest.

 

[Football us life]

This.

The thing is it’s not all being a hippy and a love in.

Everyone’s life will suck in the future if there is a massive divide.

Crime will go up, progress will stall, the streets will look like shit, everyone will be miserable.

Do we want to end up like America?

It’s one everyone’s best interest.

Pretty much and you could go even further.....

Ive read a fair bit of dystopian fiction, it's one of the darker subgenres of science fiction and fantasy. It takes us into these dark, foreboding worlds, where oppression and bleak landscapes are quite the norm.

Books like 1984 by George Orwell, The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins, and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley have become classics that shine a light on political corruption, environmental disaster, and societal collapse.

Which as you say is what could well happen if we dont start giving the 'have not's' a reasonable chance....

 

[Jetsfan]

Sure Airbnb is the problem not a bloke with 10 houses.

Why would they go down? I've got a mate who's a valuer. He said there's not rental crisis, there's an affordable rental crisis.

There's plenty of people happy to wait for a seperate tenant to take up their offer.

There's 8 million NSW residents. 2 million of them rent. 35 000 is 1.75% of 2 million. Freeing up all those homes, which are owned by investors remember, would do fuck all.

But yeah keep blaming Airbnb rather than people using housing as an investment vehicle.

I don't know why you quote those figures because they are totally meaningless, Google only works if you add commonsense to it. Try dividing the total number of people wanting a place to stay by the 35000.

 

[Muz]

I don't know why you quote those figures because they are totally meaningless, Google only works if you add commonsense to it. Try dividing the total number of people wanting a place to stay by the 35000.

Yeah my apologies. Sorry for trying to use facts.

I'll stick to baseless claims next time.

 

[melbcityguy]

This.

The thing is it’s not all being a hippy and a love in.

Everyone’s life will suck in the future if there is a massive divide.

Crime will go up, progress will stall, the streets will look like shit, everyone will be miserable.

Do we want to end up like America?

It’s one everyone’s best interest.

Crime is already up

 

[Football us life]

Crime is already up

I was reading something in the local free paper they stick in your letterbox that there has been a spate of burglaries and car thefts in my middle class bayside suburb of Brisbane this year. Police are onto it....apparently.

Now I reckon that if you had a good look on google or asked Copilot who knows everything about everything and everywhere, that there's a study out there that looks at the correlation between neighbourhood crime and home ownership.

And it no doubt will say that areas with higher homeownership rates tend to have lower crime rates, including property and other localised crimes.

Why?

Homeowners are often more invested in their neighborhoods, leading to greater social connectedness and trust among residents, which I'm sure can help deter crime.

And not just homeowners. If you give people who will never be able to buy their own property at least a good reliable long term rental or social housing property such as Housing Commission homes then they will become invested stakeholders in the neighbourhood and local community....