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Straya Day

The mention of German schools educating kids on the holocaust like it's some silver bullet yet muslim students constantly go on these and and will taunt, deny and vilify. It's a massive issue but they're minors so they can't really get into trouble and the schools don't resort to disciplinary measures because the family networks of those kids are involved in organised crime and storm the school the moment their little angel is in trouble. It's mostly in Berlin.
What you've done here, is bigotry. You've labelled a whole group of people with one brush. You've also the doubled down and added a bit of racist ideology in there.

Whenever I've done holocaust education, it's been predominantly the white kids who responded poorly, or taunted. I guess all white kids and their families here in Australia are involved in organised crime...
 
What you've done here, is bigotry. You've labelled a whole group of people with one brush. You've also the doubled down and added a bit of racist ideology in there.

Whenever I've done holocaust education, it's been predominantly the white kids who responded poorly, or taunted. I guess all white kids and their families here in Australia are involved in organised crime...
You can label people's comments however you wish but it doesn't make it true. Yet if it's people labelling the entire Australian community for being guilty of what's happened to the indigenous community then it's apparently a fair comment.

I haven't labelled a whole people with one brush. It's a well documented fact that a high proportion of kids from that community behave as such. Additionally, the clan structure is clearly established amongst Arab, Kurdish and other communities and there is a high rate of family nearness to organised crime and fraud. The state's in question can be blamed for being so lax against such behaviour. You may or may not be interested in the topic of clans in Berlin and how they operate as a parallel society. The trouble with clans is that it's hard to break away from it. If course there are families who don't engage in crime.


I highly doubt white kids have true convictions with their adolescent behaviour but any lesson about the holocaust to muslim kids or speaking about Gaza with jewish kids will sadly be met with a much stronger conviction for their disdain to each other.
 
You can label people's comments however you wish but it doesn't make it true.
I mean, if it is a bigoted statement, then it does make it true.
Yet if it's people labelling the entire Australian community for being guilty of what's happened to the indigenous community then it's apparently a fair comment.
No no, don't misconstrue things. No one is labelling the entire Australian community of being guilty for what happened. We are labelling them guilty for continuing to honour it. Very big difference.
I haven't labelled a whole people with one brush. It's a well documented fact that a high proportion of kids from that community behave as such. Additionally, the clan structure is clearly established amongst Arab, Kurdish and other communities and there is a high rate of family nearness to organised crime and fraud. The state's in question can be blamed for being so lax against such behaviour. You may or may not be interested in the topic of clans in Berlin and how they operate as a parallel society. The trouble with clans is that it's hard to break away from it. If course there are families who don't engage in crime.
You literally said it was only Muslim kids, and that all family networks of those kids that are involved in organised crime. If you wish to provide your sources on only Muslim kids doing it, please do. It's only only one brush because your statement implies no other families or groups from other races and cultural backgrounds are involved in organised crime.
I highly doubt white kids have true convictions with their adolescent behaviour but any lesson about the holocaust to muslim kids or speaking about Gaza with jewish kids will sadly be met with a much stronger conviction for their disdain to each other.
Oh, so white kids are just silly and don't know what they are doing. They are probably just joking. Silly Billy. I wonder why Muslim kids feel strongly about Gaza, not the like the place has been under siege for more than 70 years and is the world largest open air prison. Not like the media labels Islam as the enemy and that Muslim kids are subjugated to constantly being labelled a terrorist or from a terrorist religion. Every right-wing neo-nazi group is literally made up of only white people. Those people had their convictions as a young person and decided that it was so strong they needed to form their identity around it, form groups, and engage in political activism around it. Once again, I've taught and I teach Holocaust education. I've had stronger disdain from white kids, than from any Muslim, Jewish, Brown, Black or ethnic kid.
 
The mention of German schools educating kids on the holocaust like it's some silver bullet yet muslim students constantly go on these and and will taunt, deny and vilify. It's a massive issue but they're minors so they can't really get into trouble and the schools don't resort to disciplinary measures because the family networks of those kids are involved in organised crime and storm the school the moment their little angel is in trouble. It's mostly in Berlin.

Yep. they've not just become a problem in Germany but all of Europe.
 
I mean, if it is a bigoted statement, then it does make it true.

No no, don't misconstrue things. No one is labelling the entire Australian community of being guilty for what happened. We are labelling them guilty for continuing to honour it. Very big difference.

You literally said it was only Muslim kids, and that all family networks of those kids that are involved in organised crime. If you wish to provide your sources on only Muslim kids doing it, please do. It's only only one brush because your statement implies no other families or groups from other races and cultural backgrounds are involved in organised crime.

Oh, so white kids are just silly and don't know what they are doing. They are probably just joking. Silly Billy. I wonder why Muslim kids feel strongly about Gaza, not the like the place has been under siege for more than 70 years and is the world largest open air prison. Not like the media labels Islam as the enemy and that Muslim kids are subjugated to constantly being labelled a terrorist or from a terrorist religion. Every right-wing neo-nazi group is literally made up of only white people. Those people had their convictions as a young person and decided that it was so strong they needed to form their identity around it, form groups, and engage in political activism around it. Once again, I've taught and I teach Holocaust education. I've had stronger disdain from white kids, than from any Muslim, Jewish, Brown, Black or ethnic kid.
The Australia Day protests and discourse has plenty of shouting that Australia people are guilty of genocide. Of course it's a rubbish notion but that bigotry will just be ignored.

At no point did I use the word 'only' for one group yet they're the common denominator for the issues mentioned. It's certainly not the Vietnamese, Brazilian or Indian kids. Feel free to search of ARD, ZDF, RTL and RBB Youtube in regards to clans and school discipline amongst migrant kids.

It's funny how you'll deny anyone else's examples as bad anecdotal evidence while yours is factual gospel. You've confirmed my point. The disdain between the two groups is due to their conflicts. The chain continues rather than being broken and this comes no closer to solving the issues. Kids with neither background will either listen or just be stupid about it.

White kids being stupid in history class is the same as WA police have categorised the person who threw the explosive device the other day. I don't agree with it but they've just brandished him as an idiot and are dealing with it behind closed doors.

Meanwhile the Iranian Molotov cocktail bloke has been categorised as a much bigger threat and is being dealt with accordingly. I fail to see any difference between the two incidents yet legal and academic 'experts' feel there is a divide. That's their world I guess.
 
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Yep. they've not just become a problem in Germany but all of Europe.
It's a joke and frankly heartbreaking as they've been given a chance at a good life but shit from the old country follows them. There are women from such cultures who have been killed for defecting. My dad had a Turkish Australian apprentice on the building site in the 90s and the family forced him to contribute a lot of his pay to a pot as other members were designated as non workers. He was fed up and had enough influence around him that he wanted to be Australian. His family disowned him. I get this is a cultural thing but to think all of this honour crap overrides the love or gift of life is frankly sad.
 
Nothing wrong with patriotism. Nationalism is the issue yet it will occur during war time.
I'll repeat Loving your country and patriotism are different.

Who is the patriot here?

The person, who sees Australia day as British & further immigrants who transformed this country & hence should be celebrated.

OR

The person, who sees the rights & the voice of the original people of this land & believes our history extends way beyond what happened 250 years ago.
 
What would be the point? Division of a population purely for the sake of division does nothing for either side but make opportunities for profiteering and exploitation...
I think if you ask any indigenous, apart from the hard right aboriginals, that they do not want division & what they want is respect, for them as human beings & for their history, understanding, that their way of life was totally different way of life that was brought here 250 years by the Europeans & a voice to express their culture, history instead of being looked upon has getting handouts & drunks.
 
I'll repeat Loving your country and patriotism are different.

Who is the patriot here?

The person, who sees Australia day as British & further immigrants who transformed this country & hence should be celebrated.

OR

The person, who sees the rights & the voice of the original people of this land & believes our history extends way beyond what happened 250 years ago.
All of it together as a matter of fact. The official Australia day celebrations are generally done well with a combination of indigenous cultural and respect followed by celebration of all in the modern time. I get the view it's somewhat tainted as it'll tiptoe around controversy but the aim is to get the most possible positivity out of the day.

I see what you mean that patriotism can evolve into something worse but it's fundamentals are perfectly fine.
 
I think if you ask any indigenous, apart from the hard right aboriginals, that they do not want division & what they want is respect, for them as human beings & for their history, understanding, that their way of life was totally different way of life that was brought here 250 years by the Europeans & a voice to express their culture, history instead of being looked upon has getting handouts & drunks.
This is the problem with minority or oppressed groups. Once they start thinking for themselves and maybe even go to the conservative political side, the left shrieks that they're traitors or misguided.

Look at all the successful indigenous people. What's their excuse? Of course some may have grown up with advantages but their vigour to achieve something is to be commended.

The same goes for Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman. Those guys are too well educated for any interviewer to try the race crap on them. They don't buy it because they know it's bullshit. I believe Lil Wayne is the same where the press have tried to bait him on rave and he doesn't bite.
 
Does any other country have such problems with their 'National Day'?

I could understand countries with multiple ethnicities (Spain, Belgium come to mind), may have some trouble, but news never filters through to Australia about other countries.

What does that tell us?
 
Does any other country have such problems with their 'National Day'?

I could understand countries with multiple ethnicities (Spain, Belgium come to mind), may have some trouble, but news never filters through to Australia about other countries.

What does that tell us?
Perhaps some South American countries in regard to their indigenous communities. It's interesting to see the ethnic make up of many countries on Wikipedia and you wonder how the 4% in Togo are going.
 
If he said that in an angry manner, you have clocked life 😂
Years ago me and an ex pat mate who lived in NYC were in a bar in Midtown getting drunk & having a good laugh on the Yank definition of the word "root". So we are the end of the bar saying root this & root that and howling with laughter and the combos were coming up with when some guy told us to be quiet and we told him that we'll be rooting for him later on when he fails to pick up women. He got really mad for some reason and called me a kangaroo fucker which I thought was pretty good actually. The barman, knowing where his tip bread was buttered ( we were pounding the old wallet that day ) told the guy to leave and come back later.
 
Germany continues to do education and remembrance around World War 2 and the Nazis in an effort never repeat the past. Holocaust education is mandatory. Holocaust denial is criminalised.

That's a country that has gone, "we did this, it was bad, we should never do it again. We will honour and respect that past". They continue -to this day- to make reparations and recognition.

Asking people to move one after 200 years of systemic killing and subjugation is quite disgusting. People alive today were part of the stolen generation. You sure as shit do not just 'move on' after being systemically removed from your family and had the Indigenous attempted to be bred and brainwashed out of you.
As someone who pretends to work with indegenous affairs I would have expected, at the very least, you were aware of the various stolen generation redress schemes in place already?

 
Years ago me and an ex pat mate who lived in NYC were in a bar in Midtown getting drunk & having a good laugh on the Yank definition of the word "root". So we are the end of the bar saying root this & root that and howling with laughter and the combos were coming up with when some guy told us to be quiet and we told him that we'll be rooting for him later on when he fails to pick up women. He got really mad for some reason and called me a kangaroo fucker which I thought was pretty good actually. The barman, knowing where his tip bread was buttered ( we were pounding the old wallet that day ) told the guy to leave and come back later.
Had the yank done his homework he would've called you a kangaroo rooter as it were.
 
Not going to debate on who was discriminated against most by anglo-Australia

Not even remotely on the same planet. Being called a wog & following a woggy sport or club to genocide, stolen generation, no Voting rights, no respect to your history, no education, segregation, not allowed to swim, school, work with people because of the colour of your skin in your own country.

Some ethnics are the worst, why should they (Aboriginals get special rights), what about other minorities like the Greeks, Italians, Portuguese & the Croatians. Well simple, it aint your country.
So it "aint my country" eh? Didn't take long for that little gem to come out....
 
As someone who pretends to work with indegenous affairs I would have expected, at the very least, you were aware of the various stolen generation redress schemes in place already?

I'll get cut down for speaking for others but I'm sure he's aware of this stuff. What you've done is equivalent to the wife complaining the kitchen is dirty and you've pointed the sponge out for her :D
 
So it "aint my country" eh? Didn't take long for that little gem to come out....
You couldn't make this up. Last visit to Australia was browsing Australiana kids books for my nephew. One book was about how Australian is a black nation just for the indigenous and everyone else is simply a guest on borrowed time. Utter tripe this is even published for children. Directly next to it, a kids book on how people from the more recent arrival waves, which have had their fair share of incidents, are Australians too and absolutely belong to the nation.
 
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