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I think Green is a better long term prospect than Usman. He has the worst batting average this Ashes series, but he is an allrounder and in his bowling spells has bowled some potent balls that have been close to wickets - from not many overs bowled.

Green is the second fastest bowler of a the Aus bowlers we have too. Barrel struggles to bowl 140 kph. Doggett and Neser can't either. Cummins does occasionally, but is injured. Ditto Josh H.

The fastest bowlers in Aus are Riley Meredith - who has taken 17 wickets from 3 Shield games this season. Richardson can occasionally hit 140 kph. Johnson and and Morris can - but can't bowl sustained spells at pace like Starc. And, neither have bowled any red ball cricket at all - have they this season? Also, Meredith struggles to bowl in successive Shield games.

Green is a far better catcher than Usman as well. In a team who has already won the Ashes, he can be afforded to be kept on.

Weathers and Inglis are only 2 runs better average and are in their 30s - who don't bowl. Labu is only 6 runs in front and doesn't bowl 140kph thunderbolts. As long as Webster plays, who can bowl long accurate spells of medium- fast of 123-129kph, Green can be kept on as the all rounder 'strike' pace bowler.

I watch a lot of Shield live and see all states play each season. There aren't a plethora of Shield batters banging the door down - and - definitely not Green's age of 26.
Green has played at 3 and is recognised as a future top order batter.

He is easily the youngest incumbent at age 26 too.

The gen public don't tend to see it, but Green made runs in the Windies on tough wickets this year.
I'm not arguing for Ussie over Green. They are different positions and you can't compare them. Based on this series, Ussie has earned his spot, Green has not.

Green is definitely a top talent and one for the future, no one is arguing against that, simply just saying that he has not earned his Ashes spot and should not be so protected.

Can harp on about his speed, but if he barely bowls and isn't wicket threatening, then no point in him being selected.
 
I'm not arguing for Ussie over Green. They are different positions and you can't compare them. Based on this series, Ussie has earned his spot, Green has not.

Green is definitely a top talent and one for the future, no one is arguing against that, simply just saying that he has not earned his Ashes spot and should not be so protected.

Can harp on about his speed, but if he barely bowls and isn't wicket threatening, then no point in him being selected.
That is just it. Green has bowled plenty of threatening deliveries. He hasn't had luck bowling in this series.

Green can replace Usman. Why not? Green has batted at 3. Usman has only averaged 31 for a specialist batter. Although only Brook and Root have averaged more for England at 33 each.

Plus Usman is a liability ( at this high standard ) in the field. At age 39 he isn't the long term future either. Green is.

Not sure who averaged more in the Windies? Green or Usman?
 
With utmost respect to Greg Chappell who I rate as one our modern era batting greats, the pitches he batted on were not exactly roads nor were they minefields, were basicly decks that provided a good contest between bat and ball. He batted time and scored countless centuries simply because he had the resiliency and talent to do so, regardless of the batting surface.
Well said, Baggers.
 
He took 3 wickets all series.
He was given one over in Melbourne, still took a wicket. Without checking, betting he has not bowled more than 10 overs in the other matches. It is far harder to penetrate a defense with the very old softer ball.
 
Based on this series, Ussie has earned his spot,
No he hadnt, was dropped remember but Smith pulled out so was reinstated. Up till then Ussie had not scored all that many runs. He only came good in Adelaide due to the easy batting surface, which gave him the rest of the series. Announce that Sydney is your last Test Ussie and go out with distinction.
 
Green is definitely a top talent and one for the future, no one is arguing against that, simply just saying that he has not earned his Ashes spot and should not be so protected.
Agree on his future and fair points on the rest, such as CA treating him with kid gloves. And no doubt a full season back in shield would do his career a world of good by returning his confidence as he has an imposing record. But will Beau Webster continue to do a better job, given he has a moderate at best first class career despite two good past seasons. Put simply he is not seen as having the same natural all round ability and ceiling as Green and reckon DC acknowledges this as well despite he being an avid Tas cricket fan..
 
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Riley Meredith - who has taken 17 wickets from 3 Shield games this season. Richardson can occasionally hit 140 kph. Johnson and and Morris can - but can't bowl sustained spells at pace
DC you told me Meredith drops his pace in later spells too. Richardson will be happy if he can hit 140 regularly, that and his skillset should see him pushing our ageing big three. Morris is our fastest and most dangerous quick able to push the speed gun at upwards of 150. Whether he can still reach that speed after having Aussie developed ground breaking 'titanium cage' back surgery, we will have to see. If he can I expect to see him again on the CA radar ready to ruffle some enemy feathers. Johnson will play only international white ball me thinks.
 
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That is just it. Green has bowled plenty of threatening deliveries. He hasn't had luck bowling in this series.

Green can replace Usman. Why not? Green has batted at 3. Usman has only averaged 31 for a specialist batter. Although only Brook and Root have averaged more for England at 33 each.

Plus Usman is a liability ( at this high standard ) in the field. At age 39 he isn't the long term future either. Green is.

Not sure who averaged more in the Windies? Green or Usman?
How is Usman a liability. Sounds like you just hate the guy. We all know this is Usman''s last series, but he hasn't been terrible. Yeah, he was dropped after Head did well, then when brought back in last minute, he stepped up. That shows his class and shows that he has not been crap.

Again, Green is brought in as a specialist all rounder and has not done that job. He is not untouchable, if he is nursing an injury, then he should be rested. Can't have 1 rule for 1, and not for the other.

You keep talking about fielding like it's some amazing thing that Green does. Ussie is a slips fielder and in close. He is barely a liability as he has made no glaring mistakes or problems. He's been ever reliable in that spot over the years. We are not arguing about the future, we are talking about now. We all agree that Green is the future, but arguing that in the last test of the series is pointless. We should be arguing on current form, and on current form, Green has not earned his spot in the side.

Take him out of the dead rubber. Get him back in the recovery room to recover properly and get him primed for the next series.


Agree on his future and fair points on the rest, such as CA treating him with kid gloves. And no doubt a full season back in shield would do his career a world of good by returning his confidence as he has an imposing shield record. But will Beau Webster do a better job, given he has a rather ordinary first class career outside of the past two yrs. Put simply he is not seen as having the same natural ability and ceiling as Green and reckon DC acknowledges that as well despite he being an avid Tas cricket fan..

We won't know if Webster will do a better job until give a proper chance.

No he hadnt, was dropped remember but Smith pulled out so was reinstated. Up till then Ussie had not scored all that many runs. He only came good in Adelaide due to the easy batting surface, which gave him the rest of the series. Announce that Sydney is your last Test Ussie and go out with distinction.
Yeah, dropped because of injury, then when called up at the last minute, he stepped up and performed. That shows his class. I hope he retired before this series so that the Heat could have him. Australian Cricket has never fully appreciated Ussie. They always treated him with disdain, even the fans. The man has had to go above and beyond to prove his worth, and yet this is still how he gets treated. If Adelaide was such a great batting pitch, why did every other top 5 batsmen fail in the first innings? Especially the untouchable Cam Green (2nd ball duck). Ussie was also 2nd highest of the top 5 in the 2nd innings. Green got (7)

He was given one over in Melbourne, still took a wicket. Without checking, betting he has not bowled more than 10 overs in the other matches. It is far harder to penetrate a defense with the very old softer ball.
He is an all-rounder, why has he not bowled more? Why are we throwing the ball to Head and Marnus to make up overs? If the all-rounder can't ball more than 10 overs, then what is the point? The all-rounder is supposed to work with the softer ball. They know they are not getting the new ball, so if he can't do anything with a soft ball, then what's the point? Every team has to bowl with a softer ball, so why is Green excused?

Too many excuses for a player who at 26 is too inconsistent.
 
How is Usman a liability. Sounds like you just hate the guy. We all know this is Usman''s last series, but he hasn't been terrible. Yeah, he was dropped after Head did well, then when brought back in last minute, he stepped up. That shows his class and shows that he has not been crap.

Again, Green is brought in as a specialist all rounder and has not done that job. He is not untouchable, if he is nursing an injury, then he should be rested. Can't have 1 rule for 1, and not for the other.

You keep talking about fielding like it's some amazing thing that Green does. Ussie is a slips fielder and in close. He is barely a liability as he has made no glaring mistakes or problems. He's been ever reliable in that spot over the years. We are not arguing about the future, we are talking about now. We all agree that Green is the future, but arguing that in the last test of the series is pointless. We should be arguing on current form, and on current form, Green has not earned his spot in the side.

Take him out of the dead rubber. Get him back in the recovery room to recover properly and get him primed for the next series.




We won't know if Webster will do a better job until give a proper chance.


Yeah, dropped because of injury, then when called up at the last minute, he stepped up and performed. That shows his class. I hope he retired before this series so that the Heat could have him. Australian Cricket has never fully appreciated Ussie. They always treated him with disdain, even the fans. The man has had to go above and beyond to prove his worth, and yet this is still how he gets treated. If Adelaide was such a great batting pitch, why did every other top 5 batsmen fail in the first innings? Especially the untouchable Cam Green (2nd ball duck). Ussie was also 2nd highest of the top 5 in the 2nd innings. Green got (7)


He is an all-rounder, why has he not bowled more? Why are we throwing the ball to Head and Marnus to make up overs? If the all-rounder can't ball more than 10 overs, then what is the point? The all-rounder is supposed to work with the softer ball. They know they are not getting the new ball, so if he can't do anything with a soft ball, then what's the point? Every team has to bowl with a softer ball, so why is Green excused?

Too many excuses for a player who at 26 is too inconsistent.
All very well made points.

We can all agree Green is a supreme talent that SHOULD be the future of Australian cricket. But the fact remains he has yet to nail down his spot and his credits in the bank are almost all in the currency of talent and that is now wearing very thin.

One of the major differences in why our national cricket team is superior to England's is the culture of performance that we have fostered for many years. So many great players that have completely missed or barely ever played for their country due to others making consistent big runs and taking mass wickets. Green needs to prove his like all before him and at this point in time the culture should win over and he should make way for Webster in the last test.

I don't think he will though as Webster being released for Hobart last night is surely a tell.
 
Yeah, dropped because of injury
That was what CA wanted us to believe. His poor numbers to that stage tell the real story. Ussie needs to go out in style by announcing his retirement before Sydney.
 
That was what CA wanted us to believe. His poor numbers to that stage tell the real story. Ussie needs to go out in style by announcing his retirement before Sydney.
It was obvious. He came off in the first match with clear back spasms. He started the year well and didn't kick on. I agree he should retire, and I was always of the thought he would do so after the Ashes, that's why he held on.

But in terms of debate between him and Green, you can't argue that Green has earned his spot more than Ussie has.
 
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/442...-selections-owen-dwarshuis-connolly-kuhnemann

Australia have named a 15-man squad for the T20 World Cup in February, with the squad heavy on spin bowlers and no left-arm pace bowler picked in the absence of Starc and Spencer Johnson. Cooper Connolly has been included, as have debutants in Matt Short, Matthew Kuhnemann and Xavier Bartlett. Mitchell Owen is one of the notable omissions from the squad.
 
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There is an interesting article written by an English Times scribe in todays Tele about the difficulties of batting against excessive seam movement, such as that seen on the MCG deck.
Tele and Times are both behind a bloody paywall. Sorry.
 
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Is this a way you can avoid the paywall and read that article. Pg 94. Headline is DEFENSIVE GRIT DISSMISSED. Let me know.
 
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Green reminds me of Shane Watson who was a talent but never quite reached his potential in Test matches.
 
Green reminds me of Shane Watson who was a talent but never quite reached his potential in Test matches.
Not even close. I put Watson in the third tier all round class. Green has potential to be Tier 1 whereas Watson may have had Tier 2 potential but lacked consistency. Only 4 centuries from 59 matches. I do rate his bowling tho, was better than a bits and pieces bowler for mine.
 
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